Can "X" Do This? Feat Analysis/Comparison Thread

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Nope, DCEU Superman does not have a feat even close to that.

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@thewalterwhite said:

Where is this Surfer creating/dropping black hole inside peoples brain coming from?

When did Surfer drop black hole inside someone head?

I know it's an oldish post but if you're still looking for the answer, I'm pretty sure it comes from this statement in Silver Surfer: In Thy Name #1

"build singularities in their eyes"

It's not something he's ever actually done on panel AFAIK.

On the other hand, while it wasn't in someone's head, Surfer did put a black hole inside Air-Walker's chest in Annihilation: Silver Surfer #1, though this was just to keep the Seekers from getting a hold of his body.

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Can All Might tank this ?

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Tag me for the answers.

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Witch one of the three could survive this massive Psionic Explosion unharmed?

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1 Omni Man

2 Reeves Superman

2 Snyder Cut Superman

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@themadtitan6000: I guess the heat will be a problem, but the damage shouldn't be too much for him. Definitely won't be killing him, and it will not be focussed on him anyway.

Note: Assuming Prime All might

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@uni_omni said:

@themadtitan6000: I guess the heat will be a problem, but the damage shouldn't be too much for him. Definitely won't be killing him, and it will not be focussed on him anyway.

Note: Assuming Prime All might

Prime AM is a featless character. He has no feats other than scaling to Prime AFO who destroyed an artificial island effortlessly.

He also has a vague scaling over the duo, Bakugou and Deku OFA who dispersed Nine's storm which was calced at Large Mountain level.

And no it isn't prime AM, rather the weakened one.

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#5059  Edited By firefly894

@themadtitan6000: Don't remember any EP (on this level) durability feats from AM, so no i guess

Anyway, can CW Arrow replicate this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMkN3AOxpWY

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Can Captain Carter rep against DCEU Batman:

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Can Jessica Jones & Luke Cage (Netflix versions) replicate this individually

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Can MCU Captain Carter replicate this ?

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@ccbm2208: You mean the sound waves or the throwing the metal and cutting the humvee?

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@ccbm2208: Maybe depending on how hard she throws the shield

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Is this thread dead?

Damn

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Could DCEU wonder woman's sword cut MCU destroyer? At most what damage could she do before it kills her?

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@karlheisenberg said:

Could DCEU wonder woman's sword cut MCU destroyer? At most what damage could she do before it kills her?

1° Question

If the question is if WW has the strength to cut the Destroyer, considering Sif could stab it, I have no doubts WW could as well.

If the question is if WW's sword is the one capable of cutting through the Destroyer, then I have no idea. I honestly don't remember any notable feats from either WW's sword nor Sif's, but assuming they have none remarkable, then it probably could?

2° Question

This question maybe deserves a thread of its own lol. Anyways, I don't think she could beat it. She's definetly faster, yes. But she doesn't seem to have the power output to kill it for good. All I know is she would give more of a fight than the Warriors Three could, anything else is rather unclear to me.

I hope this helped. :)

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@karlheisenberg:

Could DCEU wonder woman's sword cut MCU destroyer?

With ease.

At most what damage could she do before it kills her?

The Destroyer isn't killing Wonder Woman. It's the other way around.

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Could DCEU wonder woman's sword cut MCU destroyer? At most what damage could she do before it kills her?

The destroyer is made of Uru, which is far to durable for Diana's sword to pierce. People are forgetting Sif, didn't pierce the armor, she wedged her sword in a gap . Zero damage most likely I doubt almost anyone could actually damage it, unless of course she knew the weakness.

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Can Party Thor rep on everyone in the DCEU?

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No.

Can Makoto Kino crush a skull with her bare hands?

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In the Breckeknridge Elkins novel "the Gent from Bear Creek", Elkins is referred to as tearing a tree as thick as his legs up by the roods when trying to tame an especially wild horse

Meanwhile Cap'n Kidd had throwed the loop offa his head and come for me with his mouth wide open, his ears laid back and his teeth and eyes flashing. I didn't want to shoot him, so I riz up and run for the trees. But he was coming like a tornado, and I seen he was going to run me down before I could get to a tree big enough to climb, so I grabbed me a sapling about as thick as my laig and tore it up by the roots, and turned around and busted him over the head with it, just as he started to r'ar up to come down on me with his front hoofs.

Pieces of roots and bark and wood flew every which a way, and Cap'n Kidd grunted and batted his eyes and went back onto his haunches. It was a right smart lick. If I'd ever hit Alexander that hard it would have busted his skull like a egg—and Alexander had a awful thick skull, even for a mule.

- "A Gent from Bear Creek" chapter 3 Meet Cap'n Kidd

Okay, so how thick is Breck's laig? We know from later in the novel that he is 6'6 1nd 290 pounds

I dunno why they don't build them dern things for ordinary sized humans. A man six and a half foot tall like me can't never find one comfortable for him. You'd think nobody but pigmies ever expected to use one. I laid there and was disgusted at the bunk, and at myself too, because I hadn't learnt who it was done something to Uncle Jeppard, or what he done. It looked like I'd have to go clean to Bear Creek to find out, and then maybe have to come clean back to Grizzly Claw again to get the critter. By that time Dolly Rixby would be plumb wore out of patience with me, and I wouldn't blame her none.

Chapter 8, The Scalp Hunter

It was at that instant that I launched myself offa the ledge on top of 'em. I landed with all my two hundred and ninety pounds square on Jim's shoulders and when he hit the ground under me he kind of spread out like a toad when you tromp on him. Bill give a scream of astonishment and tore off a hunk of rock about the size of a man's head and lammed me over the ear with it as I riz. This irritated me, so I taken him by the neck, and also taken away a knife which he was trying to hamstring me with, and begun sweeping the floor with his carcass.

Chapter 8, The Scalp Hunter

A real-world athlete with those stats would be Cuban wrestler Miljian Lopez

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So the tree should be about twenty inches thick.

I am are of no example of anybody ever removing a tree anywhere near that big in the ~1 second timeframe without either an extremely specialized pulley system or a combustion engine. The problem is I have a lot of trouble actually quantifying this.

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Could mcu thor replicate Juggernauts feat of ripping Deadpool in half?

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Could mcu thor replicate Juggernauts feat of ripping Deadpool in half?

Yes , why would this be a question ?

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#5077  Edited By Power_Hunter
@ccbm2208 said:
@karlheisenberg said:

Could mcu thor replicate Juggernauts feat of ripping Deadpool in half?

Thor can rip Juggernaut in half.

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Can Captain America do this?

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@walachec said:

Can Captain America do this?

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Probably. Is he hitting through rock?

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Can Naruto replicate this?

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@takenstew22: He's smashing a tunnel through a mountain while racing against a steam-powered machine. He won the race but he also died of exhaustion. Also the song the workers made about the event seems to compare the sound of John and the machine smashing through the rock to thunder and says the valley shook.

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#5083  Edited By TakenStew22
@walachec said:

@takenstew22: He's smashing a tunnel through a mountain while racing against a steam-powered machine. He won the race but he also died of exhaustion. Also the song the workers made about the event seems to compare the sound of John and the machine smashing through the rock to thunder and says the valley shook.

Then no I don't think Steve can rep that.

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Can ROTJ Luke defeat ROTJ Vader while both have morals off?

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@walachec said:

@takenstew22: He's smashing a tunnel through a mountain while racing against a steam-powered machine. He won the race but he also died of exhaustion. Also the song the workers made about the event seems to compare the sound of John and the machine smashing through the rock to thunder and says the valley shook.

Then no I don't think Steve can rep that.

The song could just be hyperbole, after all they sing another song where young John pulls down the moon and gives it to his mom which is clearly not true.

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@walachec said:
@takenstew22 said:
@walachec said:

@takenstew22: He's smashing a tunnel through a mountain while racing against a steam-powered machine. He won the race but he also died of exhaustion. Also the song the workers made about the event seems to compare the sound of John and the machine smashing through the rock to thunder and says the valley shook.

Then no I don't think Steve can rep that.

The song could just be hyperbole, after all they sing another song where young John pulls down the moon and gives it to his mom which is clearly not true.

I see. If we ignore that statement then Steve can probably rep it.

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Lightspeed One Piece: A Reckoning

This has been a topic of constant debate over the years not just here but anyone where else that has Vs Battles. It is one of the most perplexing topics as well given that majority of fandoms who have LS feats do not deal with this constant debating and downplay. Some examples are:

  • One Punch man
  • Naruto
  • Bleach
  • Dragonball Z
  • Samurai Jack
  • Danny Phantom
  • Afro Samurai
  • Ben 10
  • Jojo's Bizzare Adventure
  • Starwars

God knows how many other series have characters performing relativistic to LS speeds, it is trope by now. Yet none of them get contested as heavily as One Piece for pulling it off. Why is this? I've seen people come up with three main reasons:

1) If they were LS they would've found the One Piece.

2) Kizaru is LS and no one can be faster than him.

3) Pacifista lasers are not real lasers.

As for the first one anyone can debunk it, just apply it to any fandom and you'll see how quickly it falls apart. If Superman is LS, how come crime is still a thing? How come Goku got hit by a laser? It is quick to see how the first argument falls apart. The second one is the one others cling on to the most...

Breaking the LS ceiling

It is bizarre to me for many to think the speed caps at whatever Kizaru displayed when in his very introduction arc he was contested by Rayleigh himself. For Rayleigh to keep up with Kizaru he must be going faster than LS, yes? There's no way Kizaru would go slower just to have fun fighting, it is not his nature and he's got pirates to capture too! We also have several incidents of LS feats within that very arc, most notably the Strawhats barely dodging the laser beams from the Pacifistas. However Kid and Law also faced a Pacifista and have dodged its laser attacks as well. Hell, we haven have Hawkins reacting to a LS kick (remember read right to left):

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Hell there is even a Youtuber who went through ALL of One Piece's media, including one of the games looking for Lightning and LS feats for One Piece and got 307 examples! Now sure you can exclude the game examples, I certainly would but that would still leave over 200 examples of lightning & light reacting, timing, and dodging feats:

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Now I know Toei's animations are bad and also a major factor in people's perception of One Piece characters being slow but regardless of a terrible animation studio, the feats are all there. So let's move on shall we?

Pacifistas shot fake lasers

This reasoning isn't used by many but it has popped up time and time again in vs debates. The very idea one can produce a "fake laser" is literal fiction itself, invented to deny the fiction of a character shooting a laser beam. It is so obnoxious and such a break in logic it is hard to understand why is this even a thing but here we are.

Upon the introduction of the Pacifistas we have X-Drake informing the readers that Vegapunk managed to recreate Kizaru's laser into the Pacifistas:

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This infamous page, many have denied it because it does not directly state LS speeds for the laser anywhere. Instead it compares the Pacifista's laser to Kizaru's laser. In videos above you will see those machines firing lasers that do explode which mimic the same explosion patterns of Kizaru. Seems the animators also too believed they are exactly like Kizaru's superpower.

Who is X-Drake? He is an undercovered marine informant working for the government as part of a secret organization called SWORD. I say all of this to illustrate that he is a very knowledgeable man doing spy work for the government. So he would be privy to many secretive things in One Piece. Him having knowledge of Vegapunk's research and development is reasonable to assume.Yet despite this some still do not believe the Pacifista laser is LS. So now we have to dive into the man who invented the Pacifistas, Vegapunk.

Throughout the series he is noted as an incredibly scientific genius who is hundreds of years ahead of his time. He has accomplishments such as:

  • Built an entire working lab as a child and young adult
  • Created cyborg animals as child
  • Attempted to install a heating system for an entire island using said animals
  • Teamed up with other scientists like Judge Vinsmoke and discovered the "Linage Factor" aka DNA for One Piece
  • Discovered Seastone (DF users weakness) and developed ways to manufacture them into metal and materials used in weapons, shiphauls, etc.
  • Recreated the Devilfruits themselves as evident by Momo who has eaten one of the fruits he made. So basically, Vegapunk made a fruit that gives you superpowers.
  • Somehow had objects "eat" zoan-type devil fruits to grant them life.
  • Brought back to life dragons as evident on Punk Hazard
  • Invented the infamous Pacifistas
  • Turned Kuma into a cyborg and later it seems a full on android.

On top of that any other notable scientist in the series all strive to out do Vegapunk in someway. We have Caesar who is trying to recreate the devil fruits himself in the form of Smile fruits which do sorta grant DF abilities as we have seen all across the Wano arc. Caesar has also manage to make candy that turn people into giants as he has done with the kids he's been experimenting on, with adverse effects however.

There is also Judge Vinsmoke, mentioned earlier, who took his co-discovery of the Lineage Factor (DNA) and made a literal clone army with it. Not to mention modify his own children, including Sanji, to be super soldiers! Judge also invented the all powerful raid suits that Germa use, including the one that Sanji uses.

Example of clone labs:

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So back to the Pacifista laser.

With all the accomplishments of Vegapunk and achievements of lesser scientists from One Piece, it is incredibly difficult to deny Vegapunk's ability to recreate a laser beam that explodes. It can't be an outlier feat given everything else he's done. It also sound silly even thinking that he can't anyway. Many scientists across various sci-fi universes have accomplished the laser thing. So why can't Vegapunk?

Any person denying this is telling us a harder to believe story than Vegapunk just doing the thing!

Lasers don't explode, therefore fake

Pushing aside the notion that someone is denying fiction for doing fiction and trying to understand that leap in logic; let's address this statement too.

Lasers do not, infact explode. Congrats! We have established fact as fact and agree on fact being fact. A very difficult thing given current times! However, as fiction writers like to do, we have characters breaking the laws of physics and logic here by inventing a laserbeam that....explodes!

Not many have argue against exploding lasers cause they are cool and used constantly across all of fiction, suspension of belief is part of the fun of enjoying any series. So exploding lasers is not a new concept that One Piece introduced, however we can't also just flat out say they aren't LS either since Kizaru himself did the exploding laser thing and his super-power is Light, he's the literal embodiment of light.

Early on in the series, we've been informed people can train and improved their DF abilities:

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It is pretty easy to envision Kizaru starting out simple laser light (think laser pointers for cats) and him training it up into the exploding death beam it is today. Then once he had achieve that and showed the Navy what he can do, he must've at some point met up with Vegapunk and explained his logic on how he turned a laser pointer DF power into a beam of doom. From there, you can see how Vegapunk himself recreated it in a machine and brought to life the Pacifistas.

But no one can be faster than Kizaru! He caps at Lightspeed!

It is weird to me that many think Kizaru caps at LS when his DF ability is Light. As mentioned above, people can train their DF powers and improved them to be something greater. We see Crocodile gain a new ability from his sand fruit, in that he can drain the moisture of everything. We see Doflamingo be able to control people's bodies with just a tiny piece of string. Then there's the whole awakening topic that many have illustrated: Impel Down zoans, Doffy, Cracker, Katakuri, Law and Kidd.

With so many characters improving themselves and the introduction of Haki being another weakness for DF users and worse for logia types like Kizaru. Why would many assume that Kizaru doesn't train and improve himself like the rest? That he doesn't have Haki either. It is silly to think that at this point in the series.

Many claim LS is his top speed, but I'd argue it is his slowest speed. His battle with Rayleigh says plenty that he can go faster, that others have gone faster, so why should he, who is claimed to be the fastest, be slower than Light? We believe Flash to be millions of times faster than LS, we believe Superman to be near that, but we can't believe a man who has the literal superpower of Light to not break his own LS barrier??

It would also make sense from a writing perspective, to give Kizaru the Flash effect, of his entire world moving so slow from his perspective that he has to slow down just for others to keep up with him. It would explain why he has such a lax behavior.

In Closing...

This is a shonen manga series. Doing insane feats is part of business and accepting the things we see in those manga pages as fact is what everyone does-- except for One Piece. It is time it stops and One Piece gets the accomplishments and credits it deserves.

Also this isn't just something that should be happening here. It is already happening in other places such as the Vsbattle wiki community. They too are going to be revising everything they have for One Piece but are waiting for Wano to finish before they start, given all the crazy feats being illustrated almost every week. You can read about that here if you are curious:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/prohibiting-the-silencing-of-ftl-one-piece.123707/