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Poll MCU Thor & Ikaris vs DCEU/SC Justice League + Shazam (59 votes)

Thor & Ikaris 71%
JL 29%

Which team wins?

Ikaris & Thor?

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  • Bloodlusted
  • To the Death
  • Fit Thor gets Mjolnir & Stormbreaker
  • Diana gets all of her gears
  • JL team get SC feats
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Ikaris really has nothing to suggest he can harm Clark, his beans didn't melt through anything impressive and his striking is laughably pathetic. He could statue him and maybe win via BFR but all he does is spam HV and that would probably only be enough to kill the other weaker league members. He does statue Clark though reacting to Makkari >>>>>>>>any DCEU speed feat

His beams cut the eturnals ship clean in half that flew pretty close to the sun… it was a pretty big ship.

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Ummm.. I think I have a gif of the sun travel.. but it has cuts. This is how the sun travel looks… so it depends on if your one of the people who calcs with those frame cuts.

I think it's fair to take scenes at face value for time transpired onscreen, it's what I do in almost all my calcs with distance for velocity. Judging by your gif he left earth and was in exosphere (10k+km) in less than 10 seconds, that's above mach 3,600 which superman has a similar feat in ZSJL but this seems more impressive by the gif because of perspective (seems even further than exopshere). I'd have to wait for video copy to use frama data to get timestamps to calculate that and the sun feat accurately though.


Mirriki runs around the earth in a few seconds.. like 9..

If she's crossing the planet in 9 seconds, then she's massively faster than Superman. That's almost Mach 13,000. If her travel speed and combat speed are similar and Ikaris kept up with her, then yeah Superman gets statued here without doubt.

Like I said a few other calcs have been thrown out, but they are extreme lowballs to show others why making a 100 mile shockwave that moves clouds is impressive.

Be interested in seeing any numbers you come up with, make sure to throw me a tag buddy.

Yeah I'll definitely create a thread and tag after I've seen the film and have a HD copy to disect frame time stamps and pixel calc.

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The day that Supes gets statued by an MCU character and everyone agrees

Glorious day 🤣

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They can't react to Ikaris while his HV is super inconsistent (Unless Deviants >>> the Eternals ship in heat resistance) he just melts them or ragdolls them.

Thor can clean house too

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#105  Edited By Eri_Joni
@death4bunnies said:
@mossbeard said:

Ikaris really has nothing to suggest he can harm Clark, his beans didn't melt through anything impressive and his striking is laughably pathetic. He could statue him and maybe win via BFR but all he does is spam HV and that would probably only be enough to kill the other weaker league members. He does statue Clark though reacting to Makkari >>>>>>>>any DCEU speed feat

His beams cut the eturnals ship clean in half that flew pretty close to the sun… it was a pretty big ship.

Also when the ship came out of the ground it was completely fine. For his striking he was shattering Thena's shield, the later being capable of tanking his beams for several seconds.

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#106  Edited By death4bunnies  Online
@eri_joni said:
@death4bunnies said:
@mossbeard said:

Ikaris really has nothing to suggest he can harm Clark, his beans didn't melt through anything impressive and his striking is laughably pathetic. He could statue him and maybe win via BFR but all he does is spam HV and that would probably only be enough to kill the other weaker league members. He does statue Clark though reacting to Makkari >>>>>>>>any DCEU speed feat

His beams cut the eturnals ship clean in half that flew pretty close to the sun… it was a pretty big ship.

Also when the ship came out of the ground it was completely fine. For his striking he was shattering Thena's shield, the shield being capable of tanking his beams for several seconds.

Oh ya.. I forgot about the ship busting out of the ground.. good catch.

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@graysonblake:

Superman was dealing with Steppenwolf, and was ragdolling him and seemed pretty busy with that. Flash wasn't used in Justice League, and in the Snyder Cut, he was tasked with charging the Mother Boxes. I'm just saying that with simple physics, moving at even near-LS would pack a crazy punch. Why wouldn't it harm Thor? It would be like 40mt of force at least, and Thor isn't tanking or no-selling none of that. He already was one-tapping objects at LS and FTL-MFTL speeds anyways.

Why didn't he use lightspeed punches when Diana and Aquaman were losing to Steppenwolf?

Do you have any evidence for light-speed punches being megatons of force? Also, does that mean Captain Marvel or Ikaris's MFTL bullrushes would one-shot Superman?

How come his light-speed taps weren't generating kilotons of force, let alone megatons?

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#108  Edited By SUPERMANWIN1875
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@graysonblake:

Bloodlusted flash with SC feats carry

How exactly? Flash can't harm either of these two and according to the battle forum rules, characters can only use their own standard gear unless otherwise stated, so Flash can't use Wonder Woman's sword or Aquaman's trident. Time travel will only delay the inevitable and Flash barely managed to do it, it's not an ability he can spam like a lot of DCEU fans put it out to be.

At the speed of light or faster, he's going to be packing a serious punch. I'm saying that since he's moving so fast, even the lightest jab can result in mt of energy.

Feats for his FTL punch?

Physics my guy

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@graysonblake:

Superman was dealing with Steppenwolf, and was ragdolling him and seemed pretty busy with that. Flash wasn't used in Justice League, and in the Snyder Cut, he was tasked with charging the Mother Boxes. I'm just saying that with simple physics, moving at even near-LS would pack a crazy punch. Why wouldn't it harm Thor? It would be like 40mt of force at least, and Thor isn't tanking or no-selling none of that. He already was one-tapping objects at LS and FTL-MFTL speeds anyways.

Why didn't he use lightspeed punches when Diana and Aquaman were losing to Steppenwolf?

Do you have any evidence for light-speed punches being megatons of force? Also, does that mean Captain Marvel or Ikaris's MFTL bullrushes would one-shot Superman?

How come his light-speed taps weren't generating kilotons of force, let alone megatons?

Wasn't his moment, and speedsters get sidelined constantly. He also wasn't bloodlusted.

Well, yes. I saw "What if Superman punched you?" a video explaining if Superman hit you in the fact at 99% the SOL. The YT said it would be 40 mt or something iirc. And lmao at MFTL bullrushes.

They were generating electricity for the Mother Boxes

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Bruh 3 pages?

Ikaris get a gun and shoot at superman's face.

60 mph baseball KO FTW!

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The star level CHADS stomp the building level VIRGINS.

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Ikaris still stomps.

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#118  Edited By WizardKing

@graysonblake:

Wasn't his moment, and speedsters get sidelined constantly. He also wasn't bloodlusted.

Well, yes. I saw "What if Superman punched you?" a video explaining if Superman hit you in the fact at 99% the SOL. The YT said it would be 40 mt or something iirc. And lmao at MFTL bullrushes.

They were generating electricity for the Mother Boxes

So Flash wasn't giving it his all when the world was at stake? Also, speedsters getting sidelined isn't a good argument, lol.

But why are you using real-life physics for the speed of light in fiction? Does that mean Captain Marvel and Ikaris one-shot Superman with their bullrushes if they went 99% the speed of light, which they easily can as they're both FTL and Captain Marvel is actually millions of times faster than light with her Endgame feat?

That doesn't answer my question, lol.

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Shazam is useless here. Ikaris statues and Thor cleaves.

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#120  Edited By SUPERMANWIN1875

Thor is small country level

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Wasn't his moment, and speedsters get sidelined constantly. He also wasn't bloodlusted.

Well, yes. I saw "What if Superman punched you?" a video explaining if Superman hit you in the fact at 99% the SOL. The YT said it would be 40 mt or something iirc. And lmao at MFTL bullrushes.

They were generating electricity for the Mother Boxes

So Flash wasn't giving it his all when the world was at stake? Also, speedsters getting sidelined isn't a good argument, lol.

But why are you using real-life physics for the speed of light in fiction? Does that mean Captain Marvel and Ikaris one-shot Superman with their bullrushes if they went 99% the speed of light, which they easily can as they're both FTL and Captain Marvel is actually millions of times faster than light with her Endgame feat?

That doesn't answer my question, lol.

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Superman solos. Ikaris Combat speed is average at best He lacks any feats to hurt Superman. Flash blitz stormbreaker out of Thors hands and kills him. This isn't even debateable.

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Shazam is useless here. Ikaris statues and Thor cleaves.

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@nassergrant19: Shazam is pretty disappointing feats wise. Though I think he will get a major buff due to Black Adam scaling.

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@frozen said:

@nassergrant19: Shazam is pretty disappointing feats wise. Though I think he will get a major buff due to Black Adam scaling.

Yeah definitely. Rock is hyping him up.

OT: Ikaris and Thor take it. Too much speed and power.

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clark solos both. Who did ikaris harmed that scales to clark.

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@frozen said:

@nassergrant19: Shazam is pretty disappointing feats wise. Though I think he will get a major buff due to Black Adam scaling.

Yeah definitely. Rock is hyping him up.

OT: Ikaris and Thor take it. Too much speed and power.

Ikaris is literaly slower than clark and superman shreds in every other topic.

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@frozen said:

@nassergrant19: Shazam is pretty disappointing feats wise. Though I think he will get a major buff due to Black Adam scaling.

Yeah definitely. Rock is hyping him up.

OT: Ikaris and Thor take it. Too much speed and power.

Would love to see LA movie characters on the level of Reeve Supes (pushing Moon at mach speeds, reversing time with speed) or Smallville Supes (pushing Saturn sized planets at mach speeds, statuing radiation). As it stands I think both MCU and DCEU are afraid to have characters with power levels like that. Hopefully that changes.

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@nassergrant19 said:
@frozen said:

@nassergrant19: Shazam is pretty disappointing feats wise. Though I think he will get a major buff due to Black Adam scaling.

Yeah definitely. Rock is hyping him up.

OT: Ikaris and Thor take it. Too much speed and power.

Ikaris is literaly slower than clark and superman shreds in every other topic.

Lol Superman is not on Ikaris level of speed, everyone knows this but based on your profile name I don’t think it’s worth going any further.

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@frozen said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@frozen said:

@nassergrant19: Shazam is pretty disappointing feats wise. Though I think he will get a major buff due to Black Adam scaling.

Yeah definitely. Rock is hyping him up.

OT: Ikaris and Thor take it. Too much speed and power.

Would love to see LA movie characters on the level of Reeve Supes (pushing Moon at mach speeds, reversing time with speed) or Smallville Supes (pushing Saturn sized planets at mach speeds, statuing radiation). As it stands I think both MCU and DCEU are afraid to have characters with power levels like that. Hopefully that changes.

Yeah I’d say Ikaris comes the closet with his travel speed but I definitely wanna see it change. I see BA, Ressurected Ikaris, L&T Thor getting close to that tbh.

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@frozen said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@frozen said:

@nassergrant19: Shazam is pretty disappointing feats wise. Though I think he will get a major buff due to Black Adam scaling.

Yeah definitely. Rock is hyping him up.

OT: Ikaris and Thor take it. Too much speed and power.

Would love to see LA movie characters on the level of Reeve Supes (pushing Moon at mach speeds, reversing time with speed) or Smallville Supes (pushing Saturn sized planets at mach speeds, statuing radiation). As it stands I think both MCU and DCEU are afraid to have characters with power levels like that. Hopefully that changes.

Yeah I’d say Ikaris comes the closet with his travel speed but I definitely wanna see it change. I see BA, Ressurected Ikaris, L&T Thor getting close to that tbh.

His travel speed was definitely good, though reversing time is on another level as its Silver age esque. In fact it's pretty much about comic Superman. I'm holding out hope Thor, BA etc all have at least one comicbook level feat.

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@nassergrant19:

Lol Superman is not on Ikaris level of speed, everyone knows this but based on your profile name I don’t think it’s worth going any further.

Nice excuse about the profile name though. Its not like the first time i hear it.

On topic.

What "level of speed" does ikaris have to consider him anything decent. Show me a single feat that is better than supes please.

His combat speed was average at best and nowhere near clarks level. What a nonsense.

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@frozen said:
@nassergrant19 said:
@frozen said:

@nassergrant19: Shazam is pretty disappointing feats wise. Though I think he will get a major buff due to Black Adam scaling.

Yeah definitely. Rock is hyping him up.

OT: Ikaris and Thor take it. Too much speed and power.

Would love to see LA movie characters on the level of Reeve Supes (pushing Moon at mach speeds, reversing time with speed) or Smallville Supes (pushing Saturn sized planets at mach speeds, statuing radiation). As it stands I think both MCU and DCEU are afraid to have characters with power levels like that. Hopefully that changes.

Honestly. Looking at proper calc and analysing. Ikaris isnt all that impressive. All mcu top tiers have better everything except for travel and combat speed.

Also his combat speed wasnt all that great. How fast was he? He was def slower than the speedster girl and just with naked eye, she was probably mach 20 at best. If that

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@krisbishop: Shazam solos Thor darla basically a knock off of Shazam dodged lightning point blank with ease Shazam is faster than her. He blitz stormbreaker out of Thor hand and dices him up.

Clark bodies ikaris who didn’t blitz a single soul in the entire yet is somehow going to statue Clark who has Mach 8-9k combat speed casually.

Flash stupidly solos MFTL plus worse case scenario he turns back time and start over with Diana’s blade and Arthur trident

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@krisbishop: Shazam solos Thor darla basically a knock off of Shazam dodged lightning point blank with ease Shazam is faster than her. He blitz stormbreaker out of Thor hand and dices him up.

Clark bodies ikaris who didn’t blitz a single soul in the entire yet is somehow going to statue Clark who has Mach 8-9k combat speed casually.

Flash stupidly solos MFTL plus worse case scenario he turns back time and start over with Diana’s blade and Arthur trident

I wonder why he never tried that on Steppenwolf

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Clark still solos, there is still not a MCU high tier to match him consistently

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Clark still solos, there is still not a MCU high tier to match him consistently

Literally even Iron Man is above him as Clark is consistently trash

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Clark is rekt by a fodder tier explosion.

"Cause I really like being alive/I take it back. I wanna die."- Clark Kent

Clark feels bullets like 60mph baseballs

Clark is knocked out by a single bullet.

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Clark is pinned by the gravity that existed on Krypton and exhausts his powers fighting it back.

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Clark is knocked out by an oil derrick.

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Clark is knocked out by impacts that barely damage the street.

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Clark is hurt by a falling car and an impact that barely damages the street.

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Clark is hurt by a Kryptonian blast and the impact is tanked by a truck. Blasts tanked by plane engines despite their fuel getting ignited, and multiple were needed to bust a door

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Clark is hurt by a punch that barely shifts some tables

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Clark is hurt by an punch that's no-selled by a restaurant floor.

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Clark is hurt by hits that barely damage the street, and tries to avoid/run away from them

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Clark's slam is no-selled by the street

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Clark's bullrush barely damages the street

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Clark is scared of a ground pound that is tanked by an already damaged part of the street.

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Clark can't physically break out of a push that is no-selled by an already damaged part of the street.

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Clark is knocked out by a train car in freefall

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Clark is hurt by going through a gas tank

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Clark's flight-assisted headbutt barely damages the memorial pavement

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Clark's pimp slap tanked by a peak human and a police car

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Clark's vice grip tanked by a peak human for nearly a whole minute

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Clark's shoulder check no-selled by gravestones

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Clark's 1 arm pull barely damages 1 stair

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Clark's 2 arm pull barely damages 2 stairs

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Clark's jump stomp is tanked by memorial pavement

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Clark is knocked out after being thrown through a bunch of windows

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Clark is hurt by a metal bar that, while significantly weakened by his heat vision, no-sells the impact

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Doomsday, a Zod amped beyond his biological limits, expands with more force and damage than Clark ever hit Zod with, and is no-selled by extremely damaged dirt in his re-entry crater

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Clark is knocked out by Doomsday's double-handed slam, which is either barely damaged or no-sold by pavement

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Doomsday is also hurt more by 10 kg tnt missiles/bullets than Clark's flying punches, bullrushes, and cheapshots.

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Speaking of cheapshots, Clark's orbital bullrush barely damages the roof of an already weakened building

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Nuclear Doomsday forces Clark and Diana back from far away while failing to kill a peak human and a regular human

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Nuclear Doomsday's punch is tanked by this very same extremely damaged dirt.

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his bullrush barely damages some debris,

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His slam(embeds his arm into the blade, connects with the ground after) is no-selled by extremely damaged pavement.

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And it's not like the sword could do much either. He fled her attack earlier, and it barely damaged the ground.

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How does Clark respond to such power? Well...

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Nuclear Doomsday while amped with Clark/Diana's hits can't break free of a lasso pull that is held tight and no-selled by a stone block.