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What If? Ultron v Superboy Prime

It was expected that I could throw ANY thread involving WI Ultron into here considering he has the standard CV hype train going for him at the moment, but I figured I would put in the one with the most activity as of writing. Ultron's really hyped, Prime's historically REALLY hyped, so it's a even fight as far as fan perception goes. There's a lot of argumentation and some interesting work here to ponder over that might change your mind on the whole thing going in.

Is Hulk More Of A Teambuster Than Thanos Is?

Not a "Battle" in the traditional sense, but it's on the thread and been there for ages now so I figured I would stick it on here, and it's a interesting thread in the first place. One would usually suggest that Thanos would completely stomp Hulk in this regard, but do the actual comics agree with such a notion? There's some pretty convincing cases made for both men here, and despite the question at first seemingly being a one and done thing, there's a lot more nuance to answering something like this than what you would usually think.

CaVs and Tourneys

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CaV: Psylocke & Rogue (Geekryan) vs. Aquaman & Vixen (Ashrym)

A new CaV with high promise, @geekryan is representing the Marvel X-Women Psylocke and Rogue against the DC duo Aquaman and Vixen, represented by @ashrym. Rogue, oddly enough, has always been one of my favorite Mutants, so seeing her alongside the ever interesting Psylocke is a nice theme, especially when one of their opponents is the iconic, often underestimated Aquaman, helped by a less iconic character. A very interesting match you should keep an eye on.

CAV | Donquixote Doflamingo (Eazy_Pezy) vs Madara Uchiha (GDara) - OPEN FOR VOTING

One of the premier debaters for One Piece, @eazy_pezy takes Doflamingo against Madara Uchicha, another villain from another HST member, represented by @gdara. Madara has always been one of the most famous villains of anime in general, and Doflamingo is one of his series' more iconic antagonists, with both featuring unique abilities. Voting's open so hurry if you want to vote!

Naruto vs Bleach CaV: Madara Uchiha (Streak619) vs Sosuke Aizen (Darthjhawk)

And he's back! Madara's taken up by @streak619 and is fighting one of the most famous antagonists of the third Holy Shonen Trinity member, Sosuke Aizen, defended by @darthjhawk. Naruto vs Bleach is likely the most intense rivalry of the three, and these two antagonists are among the most recognizable characters of their series, so we can tell both debaters, experts in the series they debate, will give it their all.

Respect Threads

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King Ghidorah Respect Thread

This is a respect thread, courtesy of @kaijuking, as part of his series of threads on kaiju monsters of the Godzilla franchise also listed in the beginning of the page. I always found composite respect threads an intriguing concept. This creator has included breakdowns of several different versions of Ghidorah, even of entirely separate mediums. From movies and video games to comic books, King Ghidorah has been imagined as a beast of space, a guardian of mankind, and a fourth dimensional god, and this provides for a great tribute to an iconic monster.

Respect Bullseye, The Assassin Who Never Misses (1976 to 2007 Respect Thread)

Our own @professorrespect did plenty work this week. Other respect threads he published include Marvel's Moonstone and DC's Frost King and the Creator². I singled this one out, however, because Lester, A.K.A. Bullseye, has always been a favourite villain of mine. Inhumanly strong, fast and enduring, Bullseye strikes fear into everyone that enters his radar, from the world's most renowned assassins to the man without fear, and it's nice to see him getting some well earned respect.

The Giant Claw (1957) Respect Thread

Another thread courtesy of @kaijuking; if you're a fan of old, cheesy, action monster movies, you'll adore this -- I'm not, but I can appreciate the charm, especially when it comes to listing some, actually really impressive, feats by the standards of the battle forums. This intergalactic bird travelled all the way to earth to nest and wreak havoc, because it could. It could probably wreak havoc for a while in many popular universes too. Make sure to check it out!

Respect Dream of the Endless (DC Black Label/Vertigo comics)

In this respect thread, made by @y3kthunder, we get to know more of the prominent being of the seven Endless, Dream, the King and simultaneous manifestation of dreams that rules over the, you heard me, dreaming realm, which itself is a dream "within a dream". I assure you this sounds more complicated than the thread is; Dream is a divine and seemingly invincible deity with the power to tame nightmare and alter the unconscious. Make sure to give this piece a try!

CaVs for Voting

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Multi-Tier Tournament 2021 - Round 1 - Scarlet_Wiccan vs. SirKaboom15 (Open for Voting)

Another tournament hosted by @geekryan, this is a rather straightforward match between Sue Storm, the Invisible woman, represented by @scarlett_wiccan, and a robot and a vegan, represented by @sirkaboom15. Do read through this one if you have time.

CaV: DCEU Wonder Woman (Exauce) vs MCU Thor (AchillesSpawn) ~ Open for Votes

Okay well, this is not an original idea for a CaV, not even close. But this only makes things easier, doesn't it? A debate between @exauce and @achillesspawn, there's some nice formatting and easy-to-read posts, so if you have nothing to do, give this one a go.

CaV: Psykos(AlexTheBoss) vs Irene Belserion(Streak619) (OPEN FOR VOTES)

Another thread made for and by ComicVine's beloved weebs. I honestly don't know how to describe the characters in that debate, but it's @alextheboss and @streak619 debating. The vote tally at the moment seems to be mostly decided, but you can never know for certain.

A Random Way-too-Late Review of Dazzler: The Movie

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Dazzler: The Movie. Oh, Dazzler: The Movie.

One of Marvel’s Original Graphic Novels published in the ‘80s, I’d always meant to read it. Marvel advertised it with some semi-edgy ads, with “mutie” grafittied across her face, because it was supposed to contain the major flashpoint that took the long-simmering mutant hatred that existed in its X-books and turned it into full-fledged mutant hysteria. They made it seem cool.

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And I’ve dabbled in Dazzler’s solo series for years, picking up an issue here and there. It’s entertaining, and has its own weirdness. Like many of the Marvel female-led solo titles of the ‘70s and ’80s, like Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, and Spider-Woman, it’s a step along the way towards a positive representation of women characters, although they often take a step or two backward for every one forward, similar to how Marvel treated its early characters of color such as Luke Cage. But long story short, the solo series is often a story of Dazzler’s hunt for both love and independence/respect, and has its good moments even while it also occasionally undercuts the character.

But I’d never gotten around to reading Dazzler: The Movie, and finally figured I’d take the plunge.

It turns out that the OGN, which takes place between Dazzler 34 and 35, has the same themes as the series, but is just a dumpster fire of gaslighting, objectified sexuality, and generally stomping all over poor Alison Blaire and calling it women’s lib (as they used to call it). Whereas the series may have some forward and some backward steps, this one is a giant leap backwards that ends up landing you on your butt wondering how you got here.

It may seem kind of pointless to take the time to write a bad review of a comic that came out 37 years ago. But sometimes you read something so bad you can’t just ignore it. This comic is basically a blaze of insanity that I recommend reading in order to understand just how far we have come culturally since 1984.

The OGN is written by Jim Shooter, Marvel’s Editor in Chief at the time and someone who I personally respected for his work scribing Secret Wars I and II, two of the most formative comics of my youth. He was a controversial figure, because he forced the creative teams to get their books in on time (the Marvel printing schedule had been erratic until then). Under his watch, the company got a lot more professional in its outlook and expanded its titles, but he also gained a reputation for being a hardass on its writers and artists, and generally for being a micromanager. So, positives and negatives as a manager. But he also had a reputation as a writer, having sold his first stories to DC at the age of 14. So when I saw that Shooter was involved in Dazzler: The Movie, I felt optimistic. (Shooter sometimes co-wrote the solo series as well.)

But no. Oh, no. No, really what happened is this comic dropped my estimation of Shooter down several points. We’ll get to that in a second.

The penciling is by Frank Springer, who often drew the solo series, and is basically generic Marvel art from the ‘80s. Not great, not terrible. Certainly exploitative, but I think that mostly follows from the direction of the writing.

Let’s get to it. Dazzler has moved out to Los Angeles to make it as a professional singer. She has had a hit or two up to this point, but is perennially broke anyway. In the issue of the solo volume immediately after this OGN, she is literally going into places with signs advertising “live girls on stage” for a job to pay the rent, only to randomly find out it’s a kind of feminist(ish) club for women, not strippers. But that’s the kind of rock bottom she’s at around the time of this OGN.

Alison has been pursued by a movie star, Roman Nekobah, for a while in the comics, and keeps putting him off. He is, straight up, a scumball. There’s no grey to this. He is a terrible, sexist pig. Not like “oh those were different times.” Just a horrible human being. Dazzler is now working in a fitness club as an aerobics instructor. She’s very popular, with all kinds of comments from the class about how physically attractive she is, even to the women (who, let’s be clear, are not saying this as positive examples of queer sexuality; this is the ‘80s and being gay isn’t even something that could be discussed in comics due to the comics code; this is pure male fantasy territory).

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Again and again, the comic points out how hot Dazzler is. A movie producer comes in, and hits on her in a particularly slimy way (his first line to her is, “I’m impressed--! You’re incredibly sexy!” because that’s the way to evaluate her job?), but she puts him off. He buys the club she works in, but still no. OK, good for her, actually standing up to workplace sexual harassment.

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Then we see Roman. He’s sleeping with a starlet, which she’s clearly doing to help her career. There’s no critique of this, this is just presented as the way it works. She’s young and attractive, and the comic makes a point that he’s fat, bald, and toothless, and wears a girdle, toupee, and false teeth—she’s not there for anything but a transactional relationship. Which apparently is fine.

Roman starts hitting on Alison again. And, I want to emphasize, hitting on her by doing things like trying to physically hold her down while he forces himself on her. This scene clearly implies that he has done this many times before with other starlets, which is to say that he doesn’t exactly consider consent to be a part of his sexual lifestyle. She turns him down multiple times, leading to him physically chasing after her and her running away to save herself. Then she eventually gives in to his offer of putting her in a movie. Because, really, sprinting away to save yourself from being sexually assaulted is the best way to lead into a Meet Cute.

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Then after getting seduced by his rich lifestyle, she falls in love with this guy. There’s really no good explanation, because he still comes off as a manipulative, shallow creep. She just gets sucked in by the life, and I guess by getting inured to his ways. Later, they show a scene that feels very parallel to the earlier starlet, where Dazzler is in bed with him (and creepily says he has the “instruction manual to my body”). But even beyond the fact that he’s a scumball, how can we take this seriously? We have generally been presented with a world here where being attractive is a good thing and being unattractive is not, even if Alison has a brief meeting with another nerdy guy where she says how she likes men for their personalities. But overall, Dazzler has been explicitly hyped up to be very attractive and clearly believes herself that attractiveness is an important quality in herself (see below) and thus presumably in others, and Nekobah is specifically shown to be unattractive both physically and as a human being.

The movie they’re making is pro-mutant, something to make the public realize mutants are ok. But for a publicity stunt for the movie, Dazzler absorbs the sound of several 747 planes, and then releases it in a giant flash, freaking out everyone there. This somehow then becomes the big mutant hysteria tipping point. (Apparently it’s much worse than, say, Magento trying to take over military bases and so on.) Of greater note, however, considering the rest of our theme here today, is that Alison happens to put on this mutant demonstration in a bikini. The theory is that she’s just wearing a bikini because that way her powers can’t be the result of technology in her clothes. Indeed, several women reporters come up and literally feel her up all over her body (off panel) to be sure there’s no hidden gear.

But obviously, the point is really just to make the explicitly-hot Blaire (again, just look at the quotes on that single page: she “is even more outstanding than her obvious attributes [read: boobs] indicate!” and “Check out those bazooms!”) as naked as possible. Hey, lots of people like to look at other naked people, and there are plenty of comics for people who want that. But in a comic that is ostensibly focused on Alison gaining self-respect and agency for her talent as a singer and actor and for her identity as an out-and-proud mutant, it’s absurd. Really this entire comic is T&A, jokes about T&A, and putting Alison in situations where she’s suborned to men but they call it freedom.

Anyway, wrapping up the plot, Nekobah turns out to be a scumball after all, and has been working for the scumball who bought the aerobics club. There’s a few more jokes about Alison’s hotness (her bust measurement exceeds her IQ), and she ends up destroying the only copy of the movie.

There are a few other themes to explore in the OGN. Alison is, as I said, regularly pointed out as attractive. But when she’s with Nekobah, she gains a little weight (actually, she says “a lot of weight”) from all the rich eating and drinking, and decides she’s no longer herself. “Oh…my…god…” she dramatically exclaims, “What have I done to myself? What have I become?” Um? Exactly the same? Still explicitly hot? “I never used to be flabby there!” she says, pulling at her underarm…where the art in no way shows her arms to be even vaguely flabby.

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She determines to lose weight, and at the end of the OGN when she’s walking away from it all, a symbol of self-determination, part of what she does is look in the mirror and feels like she’s finally skinny and attractive again. She wins, because she’s not so “fat” any more, and thus has regained her self-respect. But first, folks, when she’s “fat,” you literally cannot tell the difference from her normal self in the art. She’s still a standard comic woman with hourglass curves and skinny arms and legs, no matter what the text says. In fact, she’s still theoretically in her “fat” mode when she’s in the bikini with the 747s. Let’s show them again: yes folks, this is her having put on “a lot” more weight.

Completely unacceptable, how fat she is. So when she exercises and turns "skinny" again, there’s actually no visual transformation, despite this being what passes for a plot point.

They don’t skip any opportunity for us to think of Dazzler in sexual terms. When the press ask her if she’s going out with Nekobah, one asks if it’s true that she was a porn star. The normal Dazzler comic series often went out of its way to have scenes where it can show Alison undressing. She’s going out? Time to show her getting dressed to go. Got home after work? She needs to get into something a little more comfortable. The OGN is no different, and feels the need to have Alison standing topless in front of a mirror, checking out her body. Because SHE’S the one ogling herself, not the readers, got it? And of course when Roman walks in on her naked, that’s just important to the story. I considered whether it’s just more exploitation on my part to show these images, but I think it’s important to be clear on how obviously objectifying this comic is. It’s not subtle. And yes, Marvel’s OGNs, like some of the Epic line of comics, were intended to be more “adult” and free of the comics code interference, which sometimes extended to swearing or topless nudity. There is some value to the artistic freedom that comes with being (relatively) free of moralistic censorship. But Dazzler: The Movie doesn’t use that freedom for artistic value, it just uses it for teenage titillation and finding ways to make it seem like women like it.

Naked in front of a mirror; naked when Nekobah walks in; asked if she's a porn star; topless in front of a mirror

It’s hard to find a comic that so consistently craps on a character so much and calls it gold. Her physical attractiveness is regularly presented as one of the things that is the most valued about her, both from her own viewpoint and that of others. She gets into a relationship with a man with a history of sexually using and abusing others, and who is (using the value scale of the comic) an objectively worse person than her, because he’s so unattractive, not to mention a terrible human being. But she falls in love with him anyway. If you want a testament to female...well, anything positive at all, look elsewhere. It’s not a shock that the ‘80s don’t hold up to today’s standards of portraying women. But even in the ‘80s, most comics didn’t portray attempted sexual assault, sexual manipulation, and sexual harassment in such a “this is how things work and maybe it’s kind of annoying at worst” kind of light. This same month over in Uncanny X-men, Chris Claremont had written Lifedeath, one of the most serious issues in that series, which also described the relationship between a woman and a man who hurt her, but in an infinitely more complex way. This same month in Defenders, Peter Gillis had written a subtle, groundbreaking story about Cloud, who could change her gender, and her conflicted love for Moondragon when Cloud was a woman, and Iceman’s conflicted love for Cloud when Cloud was a man—a story now recognized for being a proto-transgender, and proto-gay love, story.

But here in Dazzler: The Movie, it was all-exploitation, all the time. Of course, there have been comics that have exploited female comics from the Golden Age up through now. I’m not going to write an essay just because there’s a comic that exploits women, or I’d be writing about almost every comic in existence. No need to go back 37 years for that. But Dazzler: The Movie puts so much energy into gaslighting its systematic exploitation of Alison, while hiding it under a cloak of pseudo-female empowerment and self-respect. It requires so much effort on the part of Shooter to fit in so many boob jokes, scenes of Alison evaluating herself as a human being on a purely physical level, and examples of men using women with no repercussions, that I had to go on a bit of a rant.

I will end with one interesting thing the OGN did: it made it clear that mutants have a naturally higher level of physical perfection than normal humans. Dazzler: The Movie regularly notes that Dazzler better endurance than normal people, but she’s also shown to be able to lift heavier weights as well.

Her strength isn’t entirely due to her mutant physique, because when she gets “fat” she can’t lift as much, but she still has a natural physical advantage over normals regardless. The idea that mutants have a higher degree of physical perfection than normal humans has been bandied around the Marvel universe for a while, and has even been semi-jokingly used to explain why comic characters are all so physically attractive, so it’s interesting to see that theory being enacted here fairly explicitly in regard to her strength, and I think by implication in regard to her attractiveness. So, even the one interesting thing about Dazzler: The Movie is still related to her hotness.

It's time to ride this essay away into the sunset. Read Dazzler: The Movie for its dumpster fire of false support for its title character, and go read some '80s Uncanny X-Men or Defenders if you want the real thing.

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Avatar: Maintain the order

Created by @viking1205 this is a highly unique thread made possible by the tight-knit Avatar community. In this thread, the Red Lotus, the antagonists of The Legend of Korra Season 3, are trying to kill leaders around the world, and participants must choose a team under strict specifications to protect those leaders. It's fun and thought provoking, and certainly a thread worth highlighting here.

Post-Crisis Wonder Woman vs Juubidara

It's been a while since I've seen a DC vs Naruto thread on the Vine, and this is a good example of one made by @theslader. Here, the ever famous Wonder Woman goes up against the antagonist of Naruto, Madara. Wonder Woman's popularity seems to have gone down over the recent months but there seems to be an even split of opinions in the thread, so if you want to take the chance to debate a comic vs anime matchup, here's a perfect opportunity!

CaVs and Tourneys

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2021 High Tier PyP 2nd Edition Round 1: Maestromage vs Owie

Our very own Daily Debater editor goes up against @maestromage in a big fight for the ages! The first two posts for this are already out and extremely promising on both sides, with some well detailed strats and explanations of how their team can get the win. Pretty entertaining and definitely worth a look.

2021 High Tier PyP 2nd Edition Round 1: BladeofFury vs WhatHappened

Going from a pretty ordinary HTT match to a more unconventional one. BOF is pretty infamous for his erm, "unique" teams and plans when going into debates, and this is no exception. We get some interesting argumentation here paired with mind boggling debating for a pretty unorthodox affair all round. I wouldn't exactly say this is for everyone, but it's uh, pretty intriguing. @bladeoffury@whathappened

2021 High Tier PyP 2nd Edition Round 1: YoungJustice vs TheWalterWhite

This is a nice, almost more simplistic throwback to older CaV formats: instead of a big fancy strat with big power numbers and fancy prep, we get a squad vs teambuster format, with White using Starbreaker and Justice using a bunch of different heroes with different stats. This is less of a custom team vs custom team and more of a traditional comic format if that makes any sense. Easy to get through: I read through all of this far faster than the other matches mentioned on here: and remarkably streamlined.@youngjustice@thewalterwhite

Respect Threads

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Respect the Soul-Eater (Complete Respect Thread)

Where there is a planet sized character with a difficult-to-spell name that no one's ever heard of before, @professorrespect will take charge, as he did this week, with Marvel's K'rll, the Soul Eater. This is a being of great power and an even greater ego, a god that rules and feeds on gods. He has drained Odin's power to the point of death, and he also has a Kree-variant amped form or... whatever, an obscure but really powerful character. Check him out!

Vic Viper (Zone of Enders) Respect Thread

The creator, @kaijuking, is back with another series of video game respect threads. The Zone of Enders titles are sci-fi games set in the late 22th Century, during which humans have colonised space and created a lot of mechs. Vic Viper is one very fast mech equipped with every gadget you'd expect it to be equipped with; ripple lasers, energy weapons, shields, missiles, and a healing factor. If you like mechs, check this -- as well as the threads for other mechs linked in the beginning of the page -- out.

Angeloids Respect Thread

In @kasya_carey's words, the Angeloid is a series of infinite-powered machines made ​​by Daedalus and Minos. They were created to obey the orders given to them by the masters of Synapse. Quite a few anime / manga terms you'd expect to see in this respect thread, Ikaros, the "Uranus Queen", Astraea, Nymph, and Chaos, they are highily powerful and versatile characters anyone should look out for.

Respect the Void Hound (Complete Respect Thread)

Closing this week's segment with another respect thread by @professorrespect, this is a unique thread, although he did it twice recently, in that it is about a weapon rather than a character. A super-weapon, to be precise, designed in secret by the Qwardians, it is capable of wiping out planets, gradually wasting star systems, and overpower the combined efforts of the Justice League. A strong tool for any super-villain, to say the least. Give it a read if you will.

Character/'80s Graphic Novel of the Week

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This is the second in what I guess is kind of a series of reviews of wacky ‘80s graphic novels. In this case, the protagonist is a good fit for the Battle forum, as you’ll see. Today’s issue is Hexbreaker: A Badger Graphic Novel.

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Badger was a comic series written by Mike Baron, starting in 1983. It ran at several indy publishers over the decades, but the bulk of its formative issues were at First Comics, the home of Howard Chaykin’s American Flagg and Baron’s other book, the Eisner-winning Nexus. Baron went on to write a number of well-known comics, including long runs on various Punisher volumes, where he created Microchip, as well as Dark Horse’s Star Wars: Heir to the Empire.

Badger's ongoing series at First, and the Hexbreaker graphic novel, were drawn by Bill Reinhold, whose art is fairly typical of the decade. He has a nice scratchy line and draws some goofy facial expressions.

Badger is a Vietnam vet who was abused as a child, which led to him having multiple personalities, one of whom was Badger, and he was partly inspired to be a hero by a Badger god. Basically he’s like Moon Knight in that sense. However, Badger, whose main alt’s name is Norbert Sykes, can also talk to animals. He pals around with an actual badger in the early scenes, which remind me of X-23’s clone, Scout, and her wolverine Jonathan.

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Anyway, Badger is pretty maniacal in his fighting (again like Moon Knight, who was created several years earlier) but is also hugely into bad jokes (not so Moon Knight-y) as we’ll see. In a typical Badger fight scene, he brutally breaks a guy’s fingers, twice. On another occasion, he sweeps a leg and pops an arm out of its socket. I appreciated that the fight scenes often use fairly specific martial arts attacks, instead of just random kicks and punches.

Badger is invited to a worldwide martial arts tournament where the winner gets whatever wish they want. The people who run the tourney build up their chi over a hundred years and use it up to provide the wish. He gets his invitation from a guy named Fred X—“for when it absolutely, positively has to be there.” Yes, we’re making Fed-Ex puns.

Badger flies off to the tournament. On the way, he gets in a mix-up with airline security, who pull out his hex wrenches and butterfly swords from his luggage. Apparently his hex wrenches are “gut wrenches” and he makes some more terrible puns. Then he gets on board and when a woman asks if the neighboring seat is taken, responds “It is very much taken with itself, if you ask me.” Um, get it? So yes, that’s the level of humor we’re looking at here. But honestly, as amazingly bad as the jokes are, they totally grew on me, because they were nonstop and completely unapologetic for their terribleness.

Anyway, he and the woman, “Mavis Davis, M.D.,” hit it off and immediately start making “I took your nose” jokes for no reason whatsoever. These stolen-nose jokes continue through the whole graphic novel. It's probably the most prominent theme in the whole story. For no reason. Which is why it's funny.

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Mavis is also a good fighter and does her own share of finger breaking as well as ball-crushing. She also sometimes features a spiked ball at the end of her ponytail.

They go to the tourney together. As they do, they end up in the river, which is an excuse for Badger to dry himself off like a dog, shaking his head. Because Badger does not miss a chance to be wacky.

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They meet up with various stereotyped Asian characters. The book has the expected amount of lazy racist stereotypes of the era. At one point he meets up with “the Old Man of the Mountain.” Badger asks which mountain, and the old man says, “the mountain we were forced to flee by the People’s Revolutionary Committee.” OK, so actually some thoughtful Chinese-Vietnamese political commentary. Then two panels later, Badger asks the old man how he knows about the tourney. He says it’s because he’s the Old Man of the Mountain, and Badger immediately asks again, “which mountain?” which the man again describes as “the mountain we were forced to flee.” Now this is mostly a joke on Badger, for his stupidity/bad memory, but it’s also sort of a stereotypical take on reclusive Asian hermits and their abstruse sayings. A bit later, after saying he’d use the tourney prize to wish for his nose back from Mavis (because again, fake nose stealing is key to their relationship), Badger asks the old man, “If I were to send you some Wisconsin Cheese, where would I mail it?” The Old Man replies, “The mountains we were forced to flee.” Duh Badger, where do you think?

The whole cheese thing comes from the fact that Mike Baron was from Wisconsin, and the comic was originally published by a Wisconsin company. Badger gets his name from the university's badger mascot, and the comic never skips an opportunity to include some Wisconsin references. As someone who lived in the Cheese State for a while, I do get kind of a kick out of this.

It also engages in some more active racism, although I think that it thinks it’s being funny or subversive or critiquing racism as it does so. For instance when Badger gets in the tourney, his “clever” strategy to beat one guy is to shock him by calling him a bunch of racist slurs right on panel and then attacking while he’s surprised.

The tournament is enjoyably violent and has some decent fight scenes. Badger ends up impaling a guy through the gut with his aforementioned gut-wrenching gut wrenches (damn!), and also “takes the nose” of an opponent, continuing Hexbreaker's favorite literary trope.

It’s violent in a way that only a publisher like First, which didn’t use the Comics Code Authority stamp of approval, could be at the time. For instance, Badger rips a guy’s head off with a trident, then throws and catches it like a football while spouting comic commentary.

Mavis continues to fight hard herself, and at one point attempts another groin strike, but this guy has no testicles as a lizard-guy, so he kills her.

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Badger wins and uses his wish to resurrect her. Then they decide to get married. The only downside is that Badger’s roommate, Ham the magician, had wanted Badger to wish for world domination, but unfortunately Badger forgot to ask.

Overall, Hexbreaker is definitely a whack-a-doodle comic, with some problematic race issues but also enjoyable fighting that uses real martial arts techniques, and off-the-wall humor. It’s very emblematic of the ‘80s indy publishers like First, Eclipse, Comico, or Pacific, which often shared its humor, violence, "offend everyone" attitude, and overall weirdness. Consider using Badger and his gut-busting wrenches for a battle--there are plenty of other issues in the original series and later volumes.

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I do love this series. Also that Badger comic looks sweet to check out.

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Another good addition to the daily debater.

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@killerboi: @kaijuking: Thanks! The Badger GN definitely makes me want to keep an eye out for old Badgers in the dollar bin.

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Good edition.

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@owie: Very Nice work. Could you add me to the callouts list? Thanks

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