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Really?

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is this a joke?

OT: goku one shots

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#6  Edited By Asuraswrath25

EOS Ichigo solos the verse, physically superior to Soul King Yhwach, who is high universal - universal+ as he was going to destroy the boundaries, which is the Garganta and Dangai, SSJ3 Goku however is only galaxy level, so Ichigo solos the verse

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So to upscale the boy ichigo https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/907343524771545138/907343551841566740/yay_1.jpg if the worlds could be likened to planets the pipeline that connected them would be known as the dangai and the void of space that surrounded it would be known as the garganta. The words if and could are used here to indicate a metaphor, because the Garganta is not the void of space. We know that from the gremmy fight. 807854530443739176/0578-007.jpg shinigami can't breathe in space yet we see ichigo here 807854530443739176/0578-007.jpg breathing just fine in the garganta and we know the garganta is stated to be 807854530443739176/0578-007.jpg a chaos of reishi. To claim the realms are planets would also claim Garganta is outer space, which is factually incorrect. Thus, this is a simple metaphor used to explain how Bleach cosmology functions. It is essentially saying the realms are these spherical structures (like planets) that float around within the Garganta (like how planets float in space); however, they are not actual planets, as Garganta is not literal space. We also know the realms themselves are stated to be sekai https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769627757465436190/802443039602638858/sekai2.PNG. 尸魂界は魂魄の世界 This translates to “Soul Society is the sekai of souls…” and is from chapter 70 when Urahara is explaining the reishi converter prior to sending the gang to save Rukia. Here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769627757465436190/802443034339835904/sekai1.PNG Urahara says: この世界の崩壊を防ぐために。

This translates to “to defend against the collapse of this sekai” and is from chapter 45 when Urahara is explaining why the Shinigami slaughtered the Quincy, with “this sekai” referring to their current setting of the story, World of the Living. Askin who is knowing of yhwachs plans says this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769627757465436190/802454064671358986/image0.png 界を3つも潰してその後に何かを創るうとしてる

This translates to “Crushing 3 sekai and afterwards constructing something else” where the 3 sekai in question are World of the Living, Soul Society, and Hueco Mundo. We know just from the defintion sekai can mean world, society or universe. In buddhist context sekai refers to the universe and in bleach we know that buddhism exist https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514958544500686898/802622657077051392/image0.png. The realms of Bleach are each based on a realm/realms within Buddhist teachings. For example, World of the Living is Human Realm, Soul Society is Asura Realm, Hell is Hell Realm, Hueco Mundo is Preta Realm, Komamura clan’s Beast Realm is Animal Realm, and Soul King’s Palace is Heavenly Realm. Ginjo even states https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/811393499320025148/image0.jpg which means the three realms as “三界 (sankai)” which is a strictly Buddhist term that means. “the three realms of existence” and in buddhism the three realms of existence make up the universe.

Also, 世界 (sekai) is only translated to “universe” in Budhhist contexts; hence, why early in bleach https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/811410875420114944/19.jpg in bleach https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/811410897029038140/1.jpg everything https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/811410908609249360/4.jpg meant universe. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/811410921376579625/5.jpg We know the reio or the soul king actually stabilizes the universe as its stated in the novelization that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789953189080072192/800098761992568892/Screenshot_20201219-212434_Chrome.png the reio stabilizes the verse with his spiritual pressure. This is even further backed up when you take into consideration its stated https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514958544500686898/807856781652787200/0626-015.jpg the soul society cannot exist without yhwachs power who just absorbed the soul king. This gets hammered down even more when After the Reio is killed, Yhwach states that Soul Society will crumble https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514958544500686898/807856994778087434/0614-017.jpg urahara also claims the three realms will no longer exist https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/807857377143029780/0615-013.jpg we are even shown devastation begin as soon as Reio dies https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/807857546098507816/0616-002.jpg which all point to the soul king being needed to stabilize these universal realms and yhwach has that level of power after absorbing him. Universal bleach is pretty much nothing new. No idea why ichigo doesn't just one shot

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And if someone wanna pull the "Yhwach beating Ichigo" argument, Yhwach was only winning because of hax, and once Yhwach lost it, Ichigo killed him, if it was a physical fight, Ichigo would beat Yhwach as he is physically superior

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@chronicplane: you're right. Ssj3 goku having a chance against ichigo is pretty funny lmao.

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Goku one shot

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@soloyourverse said:

Goku one shot

Then he wakes up to realize that he was in a dream the whole time

OT: Ichigo solos the verse

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(of course the new users, one of which has a bleach related name, are the ones wanking Ichigo here)

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@delein said:

(of course the new users, one of which has a bleach related name, are the ones wanking Ichigo here)

How does Ichigo lose tho? He is superior to Yhwach physically, who was going to destroy the boundaries (a high uni - uni+ feat as the boundaries are the Garganta and Dangai), Yhwach was only winning because of hax, and once Yhwach lost it, Ichigo killed him, if it was a physical fight, Ichigo would neg Yhwach as he is physically superior, what feats does SSJ3 Goku have to make him come close to Yhwach?

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@delein: nice to see this is what you people on comicvine like to do. Instead of making rebuttaling arguments you cry and say WANK WANK WANK like a cavemen does when it doesn't have anything outside of his primal instinct. I'll take your concession thanks.

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Eh frostaku ssj3 was taking on a being that was stated to destroy the galaxy in a few years. What exactly do you think EOS Ichigo can do to him?

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This is actual bait, I know this match was made on purpose to incite toxicity.

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#22  Edited By Asuraswrath25

Ichigo is physically superior to a being who was going to destroy the boundaries, which is the Garganta and Dangai (high uni - uni+ feat), what exactly is SSJ3 Goku going to do to him?

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Ssj 3 goku demolish ichigo like a fodder.

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#24  Edited By Delein

@urahara2121: there are several users like the both of you that come here daily to say crap and wank their favourite verses, nothing out of the ordinary. The fact that this kind of users keep filling threads with flowed posts on their own bullshit perception of their favourite verses is already annoying so, please, refrain from taggin me with what you think might sound like a witty post, it's the same idiotic response that users with an actual brain (and that know how to be at least a minimum objective) get here daily from new wankers like you and that other user. Post your crap on Bleach and move on fella.

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#25  Edited By Delein

@gdara said:

This is actual bait, I know this match was made on purpose to incite toxicity.

it's very likely

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@delein said:

@urahara2121: there are several users like the both of you that come here daily to say crap and wank their favourite verses, nothing out of the ordinary. The fact that this kind of users keep filling threads with flowed posts on their own bullshit perception of their favourite verses is already annoying so, please, refrain from taggin me with what you think might sound like a witty post, it's the same idiotic response that users with an actual brain (and that know how to be at least a minimum objective) get here daily from new wankers like you and that other user. Post your crap on Bleach and move on fella.

You have discord?

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@delein said:

(of course the new users, one of which has a bleach related name, are the ones wanking Ichigo here)

How does Ichigo lose tho? He is superior to Yhwach physically, who was going to destroy the boundaries (a high uni - uni+ feat as the boundaries are the Garganta and Dangai), Yhwach was only winning because of hax, and once Yhwach lost it, Ichigo killed him, if it was a physical fight, Ichigo would neg Yhwach as he is physically superior, what feats does SSJ3 Goku have to make him come close to Yhwach?

That isn't how scaling works.

Yhwach wasn't going to punch the barriers to destroy them. He was going to use hax or energy. Ichigo being superior to him physically doesn't mean he gets Yhwachs hax scaling.

Franklin Richards is one of the most powerful regular people in Marvel. He can do insane things... however, he still has the body of a human. Wolverine could kill him, but that doesn't then mean Wolverine has galaxy+ scaling.

You only get to scale Ichigo to Yhwach through PHSYICAL feats. That is all.

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#29  Edited By Delein

@asuraswrath25: again pal, you are free to post whatever scaling and flowed perception of Bleach that you want, you're free to post as anyone else here. Dont bother people with it tho, we deal with the likes of you daily and more than once at that per day, so neither me nor anyone else is gonna waste time with the likes of you, like I'm marginally doing now. Have a good day.

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Why do you guys always make these spite threads?

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how bleach debaters view Ichigo

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Goku would win against Ichigo after King kai training so obviously SSJ3 deletes the whole thousand year blood war arc and smacks around immortals even without SSJ3

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@delein said:

@asuraswrath25: again pal, you are free to post whatever scaling and flowed perception of Bleach that you want, you're free to post as anyone else here. Dont bother people with it tho, we deal with the likes of you daily and more than once at that per day, so neither me nor anyone else is gonna waste time with the likes of you like I'm marginally doing now. Have a good day.

So we can prove to you why Ichigo, Yhwach, Soul King, and the Cosmology is high universal - universal+ and it's not wank lol, there are plenty of scans to get them to high uni - uni+, so do you have discord, yes or no???

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Why do you guys always make these spite threads?

to make bait for new wankers like the ones you see above or to troll old time wankers like Undre or for istance Silentnightz.

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Ichigo stomps via scaling to Yhwach.

I'll start with this context from the novel.

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"" However, he had heard Yhwach’s goal was not to rule over the three worlds but to remove the boundary itself between the worlds and return everything to primordial soup.

now this context completely contradicts yhwach destroying everything/garganta solely with his own power but it actually shows his real feat as it said he was going to remove the boundary itself.

So , both ss and hm is divided by a "boundary line" called the Dangai that prevents the 2 worlds from making contact with each other

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Remove the boundary (dangai) then everything crumbles... Just like yhwach did...

in simple terms, SK Yhwach was essentially bursting the dangai itself, not the entire bleach realm. the destruction of the dangai/boundary line leads to the collapse of all the realms.

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The dangai has already shown the durability to tank senna's planet level explosion(without any sign of it destroying). feat : memories of nobody (it's confirmed and accepted as canon)

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so basically sk yhwach had to output much more energy than that to destroy it.

Establishing planet burster plus SK yhwach already....

Now the main topic to discuss is if the dangai's durability is quantifiable....

in simpler terms, since the low end of the dangai is tanking a planet burster explosion with no damage at all , what's the high end for the dangai's durability...

Now I'm pretty sure you've heard about the circulation of souls.

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continue...

there are two ways to destroy the worlds via soul circulation

  1. when the balance between both worlds is uneven the worlds crumble. Another words when one world gets more souls than the other, the sheer energy is enough to tilt the entire universe, ramming one into the other causing destruction...
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2. the destruction/removal of the boundary/dangai

little explanation on the dangai...

so the dangai is a precipice world that acts as the boundary separating the universe, it's the only thing keeping the circulation of souls to flow from SS to WoL freely.

halting the flow of souls and separating life and death to avoid creating chaos.

ok back to the topic... how do we know the dangai's limit.

so I'll let the scans do the talking, I'm pretty sure it'll address a lot of major misconceptions e.g for a long time myself included thought that the souls that enter the dangai are completely harmless just like regular souls.

so let's see

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basically the dangai acts as a structure that limits the souls going through, acting as a boundary line. So it not only has the flow travel through, it limits it.

We are shown in MoN that souls enter the flow essentially as raw energy

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The film consistently displays souls as having raw energy, which can even be used by shinigami or others to physically enhance themselves.

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The only difference between blanks and regular souls are loss of memories.

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since the flow of souls is actually aflow of raw energywe now understand why sending too much souls to the dangai can cause it to collapse.

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thus proving the dangai has a limit to it's durability (in simpler terms there's a limit to the amount of raw energy it can take/contain) , the flow of souls/raw energy can be regarded as AP , so the only topic left to threat is

how much AP is required to actually burst the dangai .

now that is also quantifiable .

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The number of souls travelling through the dangai is a constant value. They do have a quantifiable ap value given by the manga..

The sheer power of it can push the SS universe into the WoL universe, ending everything.

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so in conclusion the sheer energy from the flow of souls that the dangai takes in regularly is potent enough to clash two universes together causing destruction.

establishing universal durability for the dangai , which yhwach could easily destroy

thus sk yhwach tier:

Is easily Universal given the premise we have sufficient evidence to back it up

So sk yhwach should cap at 3A , universal

Stop the downplay, Yhwach negs the verse.

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Nice post ^^

Any who, SSJ3 Goku solos the verse.

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@delein: relevancy has nothing to do with argumentation. Find something else to complain about or you can simply leave this thread. I brought factual evidence that i haven't seen a single one of you rebuttal. You brought nothing but man child energy. Go cope

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People such as true shikai ichigo scale above the likes of gremmy who can easily mimic a galaxy vacuum and scales to it. Ihttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825517346747449344/841650971322482688/gremmy3-1.jpg even states on panel he made his own void of outer space. Seinosuke after delving in the archives states the exact same thing https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789953189080072192/839533800031256616/Screenshot_20210505-170711_Kindle.jpg. and as you can see in the scan https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825517346747449344/841650325962489887/5966306-14915727155152_1-1-1.jpg we also know gremmy would scale in ap as we see Gremmy becoming fatigued from using his ability https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816387245846167592/0578-011.png this would imply that some amount of reiatsu gremmy uses, strains the capabilities of The Visionary. Also Gremmy’s imagination also doesn’t harm Kenpachi https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888848155251200060/907352546396487720/0575-015.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888848155251200060/907352585688735774/0575-016.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888848155251200060/907352737006616657/0575-018.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888848155251200060/907352844083023972/0576-009.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888848155251200060/907352938123497532/0576-010.png until he clones himself https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816386730835443712/0578-009.png increasing the power of his imagination and thus his overall ap. To increase the preponderance of evidence for Gremmy’s The Visionary scaling to his AP or power, he refers to his imagination https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816385656225005568/0576-015.png as power https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514958544500686898/840328655037399070/572_Power_of_Imagination.jpg multiple times. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514958544500686898/840328710854541342/576_Power_of_imagination_doubles_with_a_clone.jpg and directly uses his imagination to amplify his stats https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816387712046071849/0578-013.png Furthermore, if Gremmy imagines something more powerful than his mind can withstand, The Visionary self-destructs. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816388741445713990/0579-004.png Proceeding to claim that his imagination has a limit https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816388863505072178/0579-008.png that limit being Kenpachi’s full power. So, if Gremmy can’t physically handle what he imagines, his body will become damaged. Liltotto further confirms the connection between The Visionary and AP when she states Gremmy’s reiatsu disappeared after failing to contain Kenpachi’s entire power. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816389812578680852/Screenshot_20210302-192104_Kindle.jpg. CFYOW also goes out of their way to comment on Gremmy’s abnormally large reiatsu.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789953189080072192/840605534951964742/Screenshot_20210508-160419_Kindle.jpg and reiatsu is bleach is power supremacy. The Visionary is both bolstered and limited in capabilities by AP, if Gremmy (or multiple Gremmy) cannot handle what he is imagining then he’d die, but he didn’t when imagining a galaxy, thus it’s scalable to AP and lastly to note in bleach your reiatsu and durability need to be relative to each other. Here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/807858992608313344/0166-005.jpg White explains to Ichigo that if your body cannot withstand your own spiritual pressure, it will crush you under the sheer weight. This premise is demonstrated all the way throughout the end of the series with Kenpachi’s Bankai. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/807859104131448862/0670-011.jpg

All this implies that if your durability is not relative to your own power, that power will tear you apart.

Kenpachi also states that one’s minimum durability is relative to one’s passive spirit energy leakage. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/807859210598612992/0105-007.jpg. And we know that yhwach scales easily above people like gremmy thanks to cfyow stating that gremmy (pre-auswahlen) was the strongest sternritter besides base yhwach https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/890313308522049536

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Still waiting for potentional arguments on why true bankai horn of salvation ichigo doesn't just reiatsu crush.

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@mcu-defender333: Id differ

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@Aristeaus: "That isn't how scaling works." Cute how you talk about scaling when you don't even understand the scaling of the characters.

"Yhwach wasn't going to punch the barriers to destroy them. He was going to use hax or energy. Ichigo being superior to him physically doesn't mean he gets Yhwachs hax scaling." Yea you made this up out of your ass. Too bad the weakened soul king has statements that he stabilizes the entire verse through spiritual pressure and spiritual pressure correlates to ones very own statistics. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789953189080072192/800098761992568892/Screenshot_20201219-212434_Chrome.png

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@Aristeaus: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826991737829851216/863166898497650758/CFYOW_C14_Goal_was_to_remove_the_boundary.jpg. “...Yhwach’s goal was not to rule over the three worlds but to remove the boundary itself between the worlds…” ~ CFYOW Chapter 14

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826991737829851216/863167134112284682/CFYOW_C19_Had_he_not_been_defeated_by_Ichigo_he_wouldve_returned_the_universe_to_its_original_state.jpg “Had he not defeated Yhwach, the boundaries between the three worlds would have disappeared…” ~ CFYOW Chapter 19

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826991737829851216/863166619503951913/492_Is_boundary_between_SS_and_WotL.jpg “They are separated so they do not come in contact with each other, using a boundary called Dangai. If not, the balance of the two worlds would be disrupted and both sides would collapse.” ~ Bleach Chapter 492

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826991737829851216/863166505201696828/46_Soul_Society_and_World_of_the_Living_make_up_greater_universe.jpg “And the Soul Society begins to spill into this world! Life and death are mixed together, creating chaos, in short the collapse of the universe.” ~ Bleach Chapter 46

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826991737829851216/863170873619513344/686_Reveals_plans_to_merge_the_three_realms_and_combine_life_and_death.jpg “The Living World. The Soul Society. Hueco Mundo. They all should have become one. Life and death were meant to be combined as one.” ~ Bleach Chapter 686

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863171196035661834/863173111129440266/611_Death_causes_SS_WotL_and_HM_to_collapse_and_disappear.jpg “If Reio dies, the Seireitei, the World of the Living, Hueco Mundo, all of it will collapse and disappear.” ~ Bleach Chapter 611

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863171196035661834/863173408779010108/CFYOW_C3_Death_almost_shattered_the_boundaries.jpg “...when the boundaries between the Soul Society, the world of the living, and Hueco Mundo had almost been destroyed at the death of the Reio.” ~ CFYOW Chapter 3

As we are told over and over again, if the husk of the Reio were to stop stabilizing Soul Society, it would cause the collapse of everything. Specifically, it prevents the destruction of the realms and all connected to them, which comprises the Bleach universe. Ignoring any type of extra information regarding whether this scales to statistics in some form or another, it is clear that the Weakened Reio keeps the universe from being destroyed.

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#44  Edited By Seb178

the guy who fought a "True" galaxy level being vs planetary level guy 👍

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This better be Jump Force versions...

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@seb178: kid buu destroyed a galaxy over time. Gremmy is stated to instantaneously create a vacuum of outerspace. True shikai massively scales above these characters. Try again.

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@urahara2121: creation≠AP and DC and gremmy couldn't react to casual kenpachi attacks and if you think he is galaxy buster then show him bursting a galaxy

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@seb178: cringe argument. "gremmy couldn't react to casual kenpachi attacks" https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/887746659797331978/907812683624104026/0574-017_1.jpg https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/887746659797331978/907812477897674752/0574-018.jpg https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/887746659797331978/907812479021756426/0578-010_1.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/887746659797331978/907812479269224478/0578-011_1.jpg this looks like he was reacting to me. Also about your whole creation doesn't equal destruction and dc. You do realize its harder to create something out of nothing than to destroy something that has already pre existed right?

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@seb178: And as I've already stated for gremmy he can easily create a galaxy vacuum and scales to it. Ihttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825517346747449344/841650971322482688/gremmy3-1.jpg even states on panel he made his own void of outer space. Seinosuke after delving in the archives states the exact same thing https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789953189080072192/839533800031256616/Screenshot_20210505-170711_Kindle.jpg. and as you can see in the scan https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825517346747449344/841650325962489887/5966306-14915727155152_1-1-1.jpg we also know gremmy would scale in ap as we see Gremmy becoming fatigued from using his ability https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816387245846167592/0578-011.png this would imply that some amount of reiatsu gremmy uses, strains the capabilities of The Visionary. Also Gremmy’s imagination also doesn’t harm Kenpachi https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888848155251200060/907352546396487720/0575-015.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888848155251200060/907352585688735774/0575-016.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888848155251200060/907352737006616657/0575-018.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888848155251200060/907352844083023972/0576-009.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888848155251200060/907352938123497532/0576-010.png until he clones himself https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816386730835443712/0578-009.png increasing the power of his imagination and thus his overall ap. To increase the preponderance of evidence for Gremmy’s The Visionary scaling to his AP or power, he refers to his imagination https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816385656225005568/0576-015.png as power https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514958544500686898/840328655037399070/572_Power_of_Imagination.jpg multiple times. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514958544500686898/840328710854541342/576_Power_of_imagination_doubles_with_a_clone.jpg and directly uses his imagination to amplify his stats https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816387712046071849/0578-013.png Furthermore, if Gremmy imagines something more powerful than his mind can withstand, The Visionary self-destructs. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816388741445713990/0579-004.png Proceeding to claim that his imagination has a limit https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816388863505072178/0579-008.png that limit being Kenpachi’s full power. So, if Gremmy can’t physically handle what he imagines, his body will become damaged. Liltotto further confirms the connection between The Visionary and AP when she states Gremmy’s reiatsu disappeared after failing to contain Kenpachi’s entire power. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748687178581672109/816389812578680852/Screenshot_20210302-192104_Kindle.jpg. CFYOW also goes out of their way to comment on Gremmy’s abnormally large reiatsu.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/789953189080072192/840605534951964742/Screenshot_20210508-160419_Kindle.jpg and reiatsu is bleach is power supremacy. The Visionary is both bolstered and limited in capabilities by AP, if Gremmy (or multiple Gremmy) cannot handle what he is imagining then he’d die, but he didn’t when imagining a galaxy, thus it’s scalable to AP and lastly to note in bleach your reiatsu and durability need to be relative to each other. Here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/807858992608313344/0166-005.jpg White explains to Ichigo that if your body cannot withstand your own spiritual pressure, it will crush you under the sheer weight. This premise is demonstrated all the way throughout the end of the series with Kenpachi’s Bankai. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/807859104131448862/0670-011.jpg

All this implies that if your durability is not relative to your own power, that power will tear you apart.

Kenpachi also states that one’s minimum durability is relative to one’s passive spirit energy leakage. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425735336010711050/807859210598612992/0105-007.jpg. And we know that yhwach scales easily above people like gremmy thanks to cfyow stating that gremmy (pre-auswahlen) was the strongest sternritter besides base yhwach https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/890313308522049536

I rest my case.

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