Spider-Man (Andrew Garfield) vs Makkari (Eternals)

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  • Andrew Garfield Spider-Man as of TASM ii
  • Makkari as of Eternals
  • Fight takes place in open field

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Makkari wins

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Makkari statues and one shots

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Spidey statues.

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Garfield spider was electricity timing. He catches makkari with spidey sense and some thwip thwip then webs her up, her combat speed is nowhere near the transcontinental speed she was showing for scouting.

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@ichinisanji:

>Her combat speed

Bruh, Speedsters don't have different speeds like that, she literally would have no idea where she was going if she did.

Anyways she stomps, Spidey gets Bullrushed, possibly earaped/ragdolled by shockwaves, etc.

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Going by calcs, Spider-Man has faster reactions. He also has precog and is significantly stronger, not to mention more agile. Also having webbing that is 20x the tensile strength of steel.

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@frozen:

>Faster reactions

As I said before her reactions aren't split, she isn't A-Train like people claim she is.

>20x steel

>Significantly

You know Makkari can hit so hard she cracks rock faces? And can break boulders with her bullrushes right? She also sent a fenris sized deviant flying with her shockwaves

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Too bad its true.

Her bullrush starts and the rocks falling under gravity travel while ikaris actually has to intercept them with his laser vision before her bullrush connects. This isnt even aesthetic, there's a real material consequence to her speed not being near mach 3000 in combat, where falling rocks can be used as distractions

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#10  Edited By frozen  Moderator  Online

@joker567892:

@mikemageo said:

Makkari statues and one shots

@akz said:

Spidey statues.

@ichinisanji said:

Garfield spider was electricity timing. He catches makkari with spidey sense and some thwip thwip then webs her up, her combat speed is nowhere near the transcontinental speed she was showing for scouting.

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Spider-Man statues electricity flowing through the air before pre cog and moved faster than the conduction through the railing. Electirify conducts through wires at 300,000,000 m/s, which is the speed of light.

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@frozen

The electricity had already travelled through the railing earlier in the scene, he only stopped them from touching it and the big arc hitting them.

He only statues the arcing electricity travelling through the air when he uses his webs to catch the car (which is a lot slower than the speed of light, but still quite fast)

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@frozen:

>Electricity moving at subsonic speed

>30,000,000,000 m/s

Are you trolling or serious?

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@frozen:

>Electricity moving at subsonic speed

>30,000,000,000 m/s

Are you trolling or serious?

Re-read what I said:

Electirify conducts through wires at 300,000,000 m/s

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@frozen:

>Electricity moving at subsonic speed

>30,000,000,000 m/s

Are you trolling or serious?

Electro isn’t manipulating it’s speed once it spread throughout the metal railing, that is impossible.

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@frozen: ok and if it did, and Spidey even moved at half that speed, he would have broken the wrists of everyone he grabbed or disintegrated them.

Also I think it doesn't manage to travel through the pole by the time spidey lands lmfao, that's subsonic.

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@frozen said:

@joker567892:

@mikemageo said:

Makkari statues and one shots

@akz said:

Spidey statues.

@ichinisanji said:

Garfield spider was electricity timing. He catches makkari with spidey sense and some thwip thwip then webs her up, her combat speed is nowhere near the transcontinental speed she was showing for scouting.

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Spider-Man statues electricity flowing through the air before pre cog and moved faster than the conduction through the railing. Electirify conducts through wires at 300,000,000 m/s, which is the speed of light.

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In the gif you posted we see the electricity climb the metal relative to free fall speeds

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Meaning that the electricity Electro uses is not as fast a normal electricity.

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@joker567892: If we follow that logic then Fox QS should be subsonic due to not vaping the people he holds and travels with, what about CW Flash, or even Makkari themselves saving people?

That scene was labelled as Spidey Sense scene meaning that part where it shows being travelled up the currents was pre-cog, we then see it travel up ‘again’ and Spidey saving the people, try harder.

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@akz:

Spidey isn't a speedster with inertia powers.

By the time Peter lands the electricity wasn't even done traveling through the pole.

If he was FTL he would have blitzed

1. Lizard

2. Electro

3. Goblin

He didn't and they were able to keep up with him consistently even if they were never moving at light speed. Stop the wank.

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@akz: The electricity isn't even done traveling through the pole by the time Spidey lands, are you going to continue to ignore?

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@akz:

Spidey isn't a speedster with inertia powers.

By the time Peter lands the electricity wasn't even done traveling through the pole.

If he was FTL he would have blitzed

1. Lizard

2. Electro

3. Goblin

He didn't and they were able to keep up with him consistently even if they were never moving at light speed. Stop the wank.

QS in comics is a speedster but can’t control inertia, bad argument. We can presume Makkari can’t control inertia as well, seems fair. Again, pre cog. Lizard was TASM, Electro was LS as confirmed by VES stating he can become electromagnetic particles and him literally blitzing Spidey and Goblin was all PIS to lead to Gwen dying, he was also barely tagging Peter until they were in tight space. Makkari isn’t even consistently Mach 8k or whatever, her slamming Ikaris could be visually seen, estimated subsonic easily, stop the wank for her then. Door swings both ways.

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@akz:

Spidey isn't a speedster with inertia powers.

By the time Peter lands the electricity wasn't even done traveling through the pole.

If he was FTL he would have blitzed

1. Lizard

2. Electro

3. Goblin

He didn't and they were able to keep up with him consistently even if they were never moving at light speed. Stop the wank.

Spider-Man was a lot slower in the first film. Going by feats, he was considerably faster in the second. Electro and Goblin not being blitzed is hardly a knock on Pete. They have no anti feats to speak of. If anything, it just means they scale and have comparably fast reactions.

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@akz:

>Quicksilver in comics

>Comics

You keep bringing up his Pre Cog, when we know it isn't as good as you say it is (Getting shot by bullets in TASM1 and a taser).

The fact that the electricity doesn't travel through the pole at light speed and isn't done by the time Spidey lands, and the fact that Electro's normal electricity is subsonic.

>Fighting Goblin is just PIS bro.

Lmfao Am I actually hearing this, how is it PIS? What you think Spidey should have just blitzed him at mftl speed? Or maybe Spidey isn't as fast as you claim he is.

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>Quicksilver in comics

>Comics

Why does that change anything? Fiction will always ignore some forms of logic, that’s how Dom Toretto can survive 42 ton impacts (just giving an example, don’t go cope mode with the >).

You keep bringing up his Pre Cog, when we know it isn't as good as you say it is (Getting shot by bullets in TASM1 and a taser).

TASM… Are you that inept to not realise he got massive speed boost in only TASM2, his pre-cog in TASM would’ve only helped with things he could keep up with in speed for movement, better speed=better use of pre-cog.

The fact that the electricity doesn't travel through the pole at light speed and isn't done by the time Spidey lands, and the fact that Electro's normal electricity is subsonic.

The fact that Makkari visually bashes Ikaris into the Volcano where we can track her shows that she’s subsonic, cmon keep this up.

>Fighting Goblin is just PIS bro.

Lmfao Am I actually hearing this, how is it PIS? What you think Spidey should have just blitzed him at mftl speed? Or maybe Spidey isn't as fast as you claim he is.

Lemme hear this, how is Ikaris not flying through the other Eternals at Rel speeds or statuing them and Phastos’ equipment to restrain him? Why don’t all speedsters statue their enemies? Never said MFTL, stop talking out ya ass. Maybe people like Ikaris and Makkari aren’t as fast as you claim.

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@frozen: Visually sure, but you can't prove he got any faster then he already was.

It goes against the intent.

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#27  Edited By webinyoureye11

So makkari is slower than this in combat? Lol

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@frozen: Visually sure, but you can't prove he got any faster then he already was.

It goes against the intent.

He went from getting tagged by bullets to having a dozen showings of dodging electricity with ease. He obviously got faster.

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@frozen said:
@joker567892 said:

@frozen: Visually sure, but you can't prove he got any faster then he already was.

It goes against the intent.

He went from getting tagged by bullets to having a dozen showings of dodging electricity with ease. He obviously got faster.

Intent right there.

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1. Uhm uhm, ok but this isn't the comics and as I said Peter isn't a speedster

2. Explain how he got this massive speed boost then, was it confirmed in canon that he got faster, or is that just fan-fiction you came up with off the top.

3. Ah yes, this argument doesn't work because Makkari is stated to break the sound barrier everytime she runs, Spidey has no statements like that.

4. Because that isn't how he fights, Peter doesn't fight like that either (When has he ever blitzed his opponent in TASM?)

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@frozen said:
@akz said:

@mikemageo: Fun fact: the VES and his team did as best they could to make it look like a freeze-frame and that they were statues, meaning what is shown here was just an error.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/tasm-2-spidey-confirmed-to-be-electricity-speed-by-2240016/

This is brilliant and should pretty much silence those who attempted to lowball the feat.

There is no other quantifiable instance of Spider man moving even a fraction of relativistic speeds outside of battling Electro.

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@frozen: So it is just an assumption with no evidence then?

Concession accepted.

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@akz:

1. Uhm uhm, ok but this isn't the comics and as I said Peter isn't a speedster

You’re still blatantly ignoring my point about how fiction ignores some logic from IRL. Superman isn’t considered a speedster in any way but we know he can slow down his perception of time to a crawl, bad reasoning.


2. Explain how he got this massive speed boost then, was it confirmed in canon that he got faster, or is that just fan-fiction you came up with off the top.

FEATS, JOKER, FEATS! Tagged by bullets and tasers to… dodging electricity, lightning and bullets multiple times whilst showing many times he has a slowed perception of time at will. Cmon bro!

3. Ah yes, this argument doesn't work because Makkari is stated to break the sound barrier everytime she runs, Spidey has no statements like that.

He doesn’t need statements when he has feats and that could actually easily be dismissed as hyperbole, anyone fast has always been able to go at speed of sound or lightning or whatever, like Lightning Max in OPM, but he can’t go anywhere near that speed.

4. Because that isn't how he fights, Peter doesn't fight like that either (When has he ever blitzed his opponent in TASM?)

Disregarding TASM1 due to above points already, he never really had the chance to in TASM2 cuz Electro is faster than him and parts of Harry fight was PIS or contextual, but the fact of the matter is he has more than enough feats to contend against Makkari’s speed and beyond.

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@frozen said:
@akz said:

@mikemageo: Fun fact: the VES and his team did as best they could to make it look like a freeze-frame and that they were statues, meaning what is shown here was just an error.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/tasm-2-spidey-confirmed-to-be-electricity-speed-by-2240016/

This is brilliant and should pretty much silence those who attempted to lowball the feat.

There is no other quantifiable instance of Spider man moving even a fraction of relativistic speeds outside of battling Electro.

He battled Electro for majority of the fights in TASM2, fortunately, and had at least 13 showings displaying consistency.

@death4bunnies made a montage showing the examples.

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@frozen: So it is just an assumption with no evidence then?

Concession accepted.

Lol what?

He was tagged by a slower projectile in the first film and then has a dozen instances of dodging massively faster projectiles in the second. The evidence is clear as day - he became faster by feats.

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@akz:

If you're ignoring irl, then why use IRL electricity as an example for how fast Spidey is when it's clearly much slower?

I never said Spidey wasn't a bullet timer, but if you really think he went from not being able to dodge tasers, to MFTL after a few years, then you've lost your damn mind.

So you agree that Spidey isn't lightning speed? Glad we agree on this.

I've already stated why this argument is disingenuous, even in TASM2 he didn't display the "MFTL" speed that you are claiming he has, which is my point he isn't ss fast as you're wanking him up to be, at most he's supersonic like most versions of Spidey.

Also lmfao if you think Spidey can rep speed like:

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@frozen said:
@joker567892 said:

@frozen: So it is just an assumption with no evidence then?

Concession accepted.

Lol what?

He was tagged by a slower projectile in the first film and then has a dozen instances of dodging massively faster projectiles in the second. The evidence is clear as day - he became faster by feats.

Lmao bad Joker! He already got in trouble in SpaceBattles for using ‘Concession accepted’ as a way to scurry away from a debate.

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@akz: AKZ you didn't even read what I sent on there lol.

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Makkari stomps

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@akz:

If you're ignoring irl, then why use IRL electricity as an example for how fast Spidey is when it's clearly much slower?

What? Does information pass right and then out your head? I said certain logics where it’s clearly shown not to be followed smh. You can’t say they weren’t following irl logic when VES literally stated everyone was statued, no subsonic electricity can move in motion at those frames anyway.

I never said Spidey wasn't a bullet timer, but if you really think he went from not being able to dodge tasers, to MFTL after a few years, then you've lost your damn mind.

Nice arg. Didn’t say MFTL, stop repeating the same nonsensical bullshit over and over. More sub-light speed via Spider-Sense and short bursts. Feats speak for themselves, don’t care about feelings either, cry. We do not know the extent in which TASM powers grow so who has lost their ‘damn mind’?

So you agree that Spidey isn't lightning speed? Glad we agree on this.

Joker: When in doubt, put words into people’s mouth’s and/or say ‘Concession Accpeted’.

I've already stated why this argument is disingenuous, even in TASM2 he didn't display the "MFTL" speed that you are claiming he has, which is my point he isn't ss fast as you're wanking him up to be, at most he's supersonic like most versions of Spidey.

He has like 15 different examples of electricity dodging in the movie so it just seems like you’re on heavy Copium.

Also lmfao if you think Spidey can rep speed like:

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Consdering, by visuals, one of the feats is subsonic and the other, Supersonic, I think he could, yeah. Even you should:

at most he's supersonic like most versions of Spidey.

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Yes and one of those logics is clearly speed, get over it, Electro's electricity isn't infinite mach speed.

Frozen did, and you were supporting his argument blatantly.

Yea, and the electricity is S L O W, it's fictional electricity not even remotely scalable, might as well come out and say Hela is MHS because she dodge Thor's lightning a couple of times despite it obviously being slow.

You literally implied he wasn't lightning speed:

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>shockwaves=subsonic

Mama7 tier

Also You're one to talk about visually subsonic.

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Bruh lmao

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@joker567892: Ffs can you quote my post so I can see which parts you’re replying to? Smh.

Yes and one of those logics is clearly speed, get over it, Electro's electricity isn't infinite mach speed.

So you just resorted to more ass-pulling and putting words in my mouth instead of addressing my point there? Nice. Not infinite mach; Speed of Electricity to be precise;)

Frozen did, and you were supporting his argument blatantly.

Huh? I was only supporting Garfield perceiving and moving in time electricity, why lie? When did I say Spidey is MFTL? Point me out when, I’ll wait…

Yea, and the electricity is S L O W, it's fictional electricity not even remotely scalable, might as well come out and say Hela is MHS because she dodge Thor's lightning a couple of times despite it obviously being slow.

Really poor arguments and form all-round. You have no basis for why his Electricity would be slow except ‘MuH VisUaLs LoOOOoOK!’, when it goes against your arguments for Makkari as well. Comparing Thor’s lightning to electricity travelling through a conductor with no manipulation then is really poor, I’m dissatisfied with your debating today, Joker.

You literally implied he wasn't lightning speed:

>shockwaves=subsonic

Mama7 tier

Also You're one to talk about visually subsonic.

Wtf you even talking about at this point? I never implied anything of the sort, idk if you realises but I’ve been arguing against these slow speeds for him this whole time, maybe you’re out of it right now, take a break mate. I only brought up the visually subsonic cuz you tried to lowball Garfield’s speed using just that, capiche?

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@akz: I'll reply when I get back home.

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@mikemageo: @joker567892: @webinyoureye11: @akz:

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Ill just quickly give my opinion on the matter…

Lets start by clearing up Spider-Man feats.

I made a video counting SMs electricity reactions.

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(I actually missed In that count video when it says insert text here) Every one of these happened after his most impressive feat of saving multiple people from electricity... that feat was long so it gets its own video below.

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^^This one isnt included in that first video, its most impressive tho.^^(note for MikeMango, i think part of this video is precog, he’s literally seeing something before it happens, then everything rewinds, can you give it a watch; looking for that rewind and tell me what you think?)

And it was his last real fight, so it seems like he just got better as he progresse…pushed him self to react to what he needed to in the moment.

On top of his other feats.

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Now I don’t think this means Spider-Man can run across a country very fast, but I do think it means he can react to very very fast things…like insanely fast, with his precog and natural speed.

I believe by feats he can react to Makkri.

I think she’s much stronger tho, and hits harder, so he’d have to web incap her, or trip her up so she flies into something.. I’d say 50/50.

Is that fair????????

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@death4bunnies: Very fair. I myself said he has this speed and perception at short ranges and bursts, I still think he wins since Makkari’s ‘better stats’ come from a byproduct of her speed, he can dodge her so…

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I am well aware of Spider-mans feats of dodging electricity and the like. My problem stems from the fact that outside these feats, we do not get a single feat of Spider-man moving at 1/100 this of this speed. If Spider-man is this fast, then why does he only use this combat speed when fighting Electro? It makes no logical sense. Not to mention the fact that we see the electricity moving at free fall speeds and normal people reacting to it.

It can all be written off as VFX issues or PIS, or it can be acknowledged that Spider-man is not light speed.

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I am well aware of Spider-mans feats of dodging electricity and the like. My problem stems from the fact that outside these feats, we do not get a single feat of Spider-man moving at 1/100 this of this speed. If Spider-man is this fast, then why does he only use this combat speed when fighting Electro? It makes no logical sense. Not to mention the fact that we see the electricity moving at free fall speeds and normal people reacting to it.

It can all be written off as VFX issues or PIS, or it can be acknowledged that Spider-man is not light speed.

I think it’s simply he reacts to what the plot needs him to, you know to make it a entertaining fight in his movies. We know he can react to electro, we’ve seen him do it dozens of times.. I think that’s pretty impressive on its face… and calcs tend to agree.

I don’t know that a fair argument can be made that he could never react to her, that seems silly in light of his dozens of feats.. i dont think he can do it forever tho, and she has some great stats.

I still think 50/50, he can dodge, but not forever, and he can take her out with webs if he’s smart about it.

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@mikemageo said:

I am well aware of Spider-mans feats of dodging electricity and the like. My problem stems from the fact that outside these feats, we do not get a single feat of Spider-man moving at 1/100 this of this speed. If Spider-man is this fast, then why does he only use this combat speed when fighting Electro? It makes no logical sense. Not to mention the fact that we see the electricity moving at free fall speeds and normal people reacting to it.

It can all be written off as VFX issues or PIS, or it can be acknowledged that Spider-man is not light speed.

I think it’s simply he reacts to what the plot needs him to, you know to make it a entertaining fight in his movies. We know he can react to electro, we’ve seen him do it dozens of times.. I think that’s pretty impressive on its face… and calcs tend to agree.

I don’t know that a fair argument can be made that he could never react to her, that seems silly in light of his dozens of feats.. i dont think he can do it forever tho, and she has some great stats.

I still think 50/50, he can dodge, but not forever, and he can take her out with webs if he’s smart about it.

Also Electro has stated ~SoL speed as well so he probably was using that speed against him when keeping up with him lol.