Kotal Kahn vs Kung Lao

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Kotal Kahn

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Kung Lao (MK9 Reboot Timeline)

In character

Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death

Random encounter

Standard gear and abilities

Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at night

Who'd win? For what reasons?

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Hard one.

Logically speaking, they should be on the same playing Field. Both of them bested Goro, though Kung Lao did it with less issue.

However, Kotal Kahn Could Match Shao Kahn in strength and hold his own. Suggesting that he could be on par with Kung Lao.

Could go either way

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Going with Kung Lao, while Kotal did defeat Goro Kung Lao defeated Shang Tsung & Quan Chi. The guys responsible for killing Liu Kang.

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Actually, Scratch that.

If Kotal can Amplify himself with Sun/Blood magic, he wins.

Otherwise, Kung Lao is too agile and Quick for Kotal to beat him

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Kotal Kahn Destroyed a ship in one attack, withstood a direct attack from Shinnok's amulet, Survived against several hits by Shao Kahn's Hammer, And matched Sheeva's strength, in spite of a damaged spine.

Kung Lao has less victories in the modern era compared to Kotal Kahn (12-9) and Kotal has more years of experience.

Kotal takes this decisively

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Going with Kung Lao, while Kotal did defeat Goro Kung Lao defeated Shang Tsung & Quan Chi. The guys responsible for killing Liu Kang.

the Deadly alliance aren't as strong as they were in the old timeline. So I don't think that would apply here.

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#9  Edited By RandyButterNubs  Online

@sladerulez: They still have the same powers and abilities as the Original. They may be weaker in the Current timeline but I still put that over Kotal defeating Goro.

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Kung Lao literally led the best MK run of all time, even in this timeline he washes Kotal just like his cousin did.

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I think it would be close, giving the edge to lao though but with the new timeliness need to humble him it would probably lead to Kowal winning

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@randybutternubs: Having the same abilities doesn't mean they'll be anywhere near as powerful in the current era.

Especially when Shang Tsung and Quan Chi both have lost a hefty amount in the current era and show nowhere near the same power as they did in Deadly Alliance

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@sladerulez: I already said they may be weaker but I still put them above Goro since he didn't really do much in the Current Timeline.

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@randybutternubs: Besides, I'd put his fight against Shao Kahn over the victory against the Deadly alliance. Besides, Past Shang Tsung Chose Goro because he could win the fights that he was unable to.

And Quan Chi doesn't even Use Shinnok's amulet to his advantage, for whatever reason, in his fights

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#17  Edited By RandyButterNubs  Online

@sladerulez: Shao Kahn humilated Kotal not once but twice., I'd hardly call them fights since he broke Kotal in half and took his head off in Aftermath.

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@randybutternubs: Oh, Shao Kahn definitely wins most of the time, but the ability to hold off against Shao Kahn and pull any win at all against Shao Kahn is more than what Kung Lao is shown capable of.

Not to mention he has better feats overall with his magic, durability, and strength. Which is what these fights boil down to due to the inconsistencies of MK's power Scaling.

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@randybutternubs: It's also worth mentioning the last fight between him and Kotal was when his spine wasn't fully healed.

(I gotta start writing these things all at once )

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#20  Edited By RandyButterNubs  Online

@sladerulez: Problem is Kotal never really seemed to hold his own very well, not like Kitana did in MK11. She inflicted more damage on Shao Kahn then Kotal did in all of his encounters with him and keep in mind Kotal lost to a injured Shao Kahn, broke Kotal in half leaving him crippled. Kotal rarley uses his magic and other array of abilities in cinematic cutscenes, most of what he does ends up just being game mechanics.

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#21 sladerulez  Online

@randybutternubs: MK11 Kitana was arguably stronger than Kung Lao too tho, given how even Revenant Kitana could deal damage to Shao Kahn.

Kung Lao technically has just as many defeats as Kotal, with less victories overall in the New timeline.

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@sladerulez: Considering Kotal is suppose to be comparable to Shao Kahn and Kung Lao not suppose to be in the same tier as them makes it worse. Kotal losing to not one but two of the Kombat Kids, One being Kung Jin who has very few feats and other being Jacqui who isn't impressive either is pretty bad.

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@sladerulez: Yes he was when Kitana and her army stormed into Kahns arena she slashed him which injured him which made Shao Kahn try retreating and Kotal attempt a surprised attack from behind and he still lost horribly.

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@randybutternubs: Kung Lao doesn't really have any feats against him either. If something that suggested the character to be weak, that'd be an issue, but such isn't the case. Same goes to Jacqui, who also withstood Kronika's Crown, and held her own against Cetrion with it.

(Also, Jacqui beat him in the night without the sun, which has been proven to reduce the Osh-Tekk's power)

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@sladerulez: Withstooding the Crown? How is that an impressive feat? It amped her which helped turned the tide against Cetrion but even then Cetrion was holding back. Kung Jin defeated Kotal Kahn in day time, so did Jade, whats the excuse there?

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@sladerulez: Heres the clips btw

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Kotal still lost even with a suprised attack.

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#28  Edited By sladerulez  Online

@randybutternubs: Jacqui bested him when he couldn't use his sun magic and we wasn't shown to use Blood magic. He was Considerably weaker against her.

Kung Jin isn't weak is what I'm saying. Sure he lost to Sub-Zero, but Kung Lao also lost to Scorpion.

hell, the deeper we dive into the fights, the more I'm reminded how inconsistent they are.

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This is all technically accurate. And why who beats who is always a headdache.

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@sladerulez: Heres the clips btw

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Kotal still lost even with a suprised attack.

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I knew what you meant. I also knew that stabbing someone in the gut means practically nothing in this series since everyone shrugs it off like nothing in this franchise.

Kotal stabs Shao Kahn in the Shoulder and it does absolutely nothing. Which only further enforces this fact

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#30  Edited By RandyButterNubs  Online
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@randybutternubs: Jacqui bested him when he couldn't use his sun magic and we wasn't shown to use Blood magic. He was Considerably weaker against her.

Kung Jin isn't weak is what I'm saying. Sure he lost to Sub-Zero, but Kung Lao also lost to Scorpion.

hell, the deeper we dive into the fights, the more I'm reminded how inconsistent we are.

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This is all technically accurate. And why who beats who is always a headdache.

Even though Kotal still has decades of experience over Jacqui he still couldn't win? doesn't make sense. Kung Jin has very few feats, he is very weak in terms of tering. defeated some fodder and Ferra/Torr who have next to no feats. Scorpion is a high tier so that is not as bad as losing to two Kombat Kids.

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@randybutternubs said:

@sladerulez: Heres the clips btw

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Kotal still lost even with a suprised attack.

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I knew what you meant. I also knew that stabbing someone in the gut means practically nothing in this series since everyone shrugs it off like nothing in this franchise.

Kotal stabs Shao Kahn in the Shoulder and it does absolutely nothing. Which only further enforces this fact

It clearly did something when he was scurrying away from Kitana and holding his arm to his wound. So even if he shrugged off a stab in the shoulder it just shows how inconsistent they are.

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#32 sladerulez  Online

@randybutternubs: You straight up ignored the image I showed which showcased how pointless it is to go with the "A beats B" argument.

Feat Wise, Kotal has greater feats of Power, Durability, and Strength

Basing off of who they've beaten, Kotal's got a total of 12 victories throughout the entirety of the New timeline. While Kung Lao only has 9.

The only genuine argument is based on who've they beat, Which isn't consistent

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#33  Edited By RandyButterNubs  Online

@sladerulez: I saw it and I'm no going by your headcanon. Featwise Kotal is worse considering the tier hes suppose to be in. Lost to two Kombat kids, people that have very few feats. Kotal has been a punching bag since his first appearance. Your argument is "well Kotal has more wins so that automatically makes him the winner" even though some victories involved him beating fodder in the MK universe.

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@randybutternubs: You're ignoring the inconsistencies because... he loses to fights... that are proven to be inconsistent?

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@sladerulez: I'm pointing out the inconsistencies, thats what I been doing the whole time. You are only trying to validate only his high ends when his anti feats outweigh them which would make him "inconsistent" and much lower than he was intended to be.

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@randybutternubs: Except he has far more high feats than low feats. Out of the various fights, only 3 feel inconsistent, and that relies on the characters being perceived as weak, in spite of not really doing anything that deems them as weak. (given how those he lost also face higher tier characters such as Raiden and Sheeva)

Why does Kotal become the exception to the rule?

His victories against Rain, Gorbak, Goro, and Shao Kahn don't just disappear.

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@sladerulez: No he does not. He has lost too many times to be on Shao Kahns tier. Sheeva is not a high tier before Aftermath she had 0 victories. Raiden is a high tier but not her. Just because she defeated Baraka and Jade in Aftermath makes her a high tier? Baraka has jobbed in most of his appearances. He has lost to just about everyone he has encountered. Jade is probably her only good feat. I never claimed or stated that Kotal became exception to the rule, for someone who is suppose to be comparable to Shao Kahn he has very bad low showings. Rain hasn't done anything really either, especially in the current timeline, never defeated anyone notable. Gorbak is also another person who has zero feats and he never defeated Shao Kahn lmao what are you talking about?

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@sladerulez: No he does not. He has lost too many times to be on Shao Kahns tier. Sheeva is not a high tier before Aftermath she had 0 victories. Raiden is a high tier but not her. Just because she defeated Baraka and Jade in Aftermath makes her a high tier? Baraka has jobbed in most of his appearances. He has lost to just about everyone he has encountered. Jade is probably her only good feat.

You just didn't mention Kitana at all

I never claimed or stated that Kotal became exception to the rule, for someone who is suppose to be comparable to Shao Kahn he has very bad low showings.

Three losses against characters that haven't done anything to be deemed as weak.

Rain hasn't done anything really either, especially in the Current timeline, never defeated anyone notable. Gorbak is also another person who has zero feats and he never defeated Shao Kahn lmao what are you talking about?

Rain's weather manipulation allows him to negate Kotal's biggest advantage and Kotal powered right through it. How is that not something to be worth Noting?

Also, the Shokan become the ruler after proving their might against all those who challenge it. He had to win the title against an indefinite amount of Fellow Shokan, which are the strongest individual race throughout Mortal Kombat. How is it not noteworthy?

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@sladerulez said:
@randybutternubs said:

@sladerulez: No he does not. He has lost too many times to be on Shao Kahns tier. Sheeva is not a high tier before Aftermath she had 0 victories. Raiden is a high tier but not her. Just because she defeated Baraka and Jade in Aftermath makes her a high tier? Baraka has jobbed in most of his appearances. He has lost to just about everyone he has encountered. Jade is probably her only good feat.

You just didn't mention Kitana at all

Defeating two notable people makes her a high tier? My point still stands.

I never claimed or stated that Kotal became exception to the rule, for someone who is suppose to be comparable to Shao Kahn he has very bad low showings.

Three losses against characters that haven't done anything to be deemed as weak.

Losing to Shao Kahn not once but twice, Kung Jin, Jacqui, Sheeva, and Jade. Losing to characters that haven't done anything does in fact make you look weaker than intended.

Rain hasn't done anything really either, especially in the Current timeline, never defeated anyone notable. Gorbak is also another person who has zero feats and he never defeated Shao Kahn lmao what are you talking about?

Rain's weather manipulation allows him to negate Kotal's biggest advantage and Kotal powered right through it. How is that not something to be worth Noting?

And what does that have to due with Rain having next to none feats? He hasn't defeated anyone notable so bringing up someone with zero showings having an advantage over Kotal doesn't make sense and makes your point moot.

Also, the Shokan become the ruler after proving their might against all those who challenge it. He had to win the title against an indefinite amount of Fellow Shokan, which are the strongest individual race throughout Mortal Kombat. How is it not noteworthy?

Doesn't change the solid fact that King Gorbak has zero feats. Hyping up a featless character doesn't help.

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If we wanna talk feats, here's a few: Kotal withstanding a direct attack from Shinnok's amulet, which killed some closeby soldiers, and has been used for substancially greater feats of destruction

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Overpowered and nearly killed Dvorrah, who has fairly impressive feats of her own

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Cut off Goro's arms

And my favorite:

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Destroyed an entire ship in a single attack

Nothing Kung Lao has done can compare

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@sladerulez said:
@randybutternubs said:

@sladerulez: No he does not. He has lost too many times to be on Shao Kahns tier. Sheeva is not a high tier before Aftermath she had 0 victories. Raiden is a high tier but not her. Just because she defeated Baraka and Jade in Aftermath makes her a high tier? Baraka has jobbed in most of his appearances. He has lost to just about everyone he has encountered. Jade is probably her only good feat.

You just didn't mention Kitana at all

Defeating two notable people makes her a high tier? My point still stands.

Yes... just like how Kung Lao defeating the Deadly Alliance (Who weren't too impressive) was your original argument

I never claimed or stated that Kotal became exception to the rule, for someone who is suppose to be comparable to Shao Kahn he has very bad low showings.

Three losses against characters that haven't done anything to be deemed as weak.

Losing to Shao Kahn not once but twice, Kung Jin, Jacqui, Sheeva, and Jade. Losing to characters that haven't done anything does in fact make you look weaker than intended.

Shao Kahn has proven capable of beating MK high tiers, and Kung Lao has never won against him at all. His highest feat (barely winning against Shao Kahn)

hell, everyone you've listed have fought against and won against high tiers. Especially Sheeva who fought an Injured Kotal to boot, and still stalemated against him in their wrestle at the start

Rain hasn't done anything really either, especially in the Current timeline, never defeated anyone notable. Gorbak is also another person who has zero feats and he never defeated Shao Kahn lmao what are you talking about?

Rain's weather manipulation allows him to negate Kotal's biggest advantage and Kotal powered right through it. How is that not something to be worth Noting?

And what does that have to due with Rain having next to none feats? He hasn't defeated anyone notable so bringing up someone with zero showings having an advantage over Kotal doesn't make sense and makes your point moot.

Straight up made Kotal Weaker and Kotal still pushed through his magic. Kotal pushing past his weakness isn't worth Noting?

Also, the Shokan become the ruler after proving their might against all those who challenge it. He had to win the title against an indefinite amount of Fellow Shokan, which are the strongest individual race throughout Mortal Kombat. How is it not noteworthy?

Doesn't change the solid fact that King Gorbak has zero feats. Hyping up a featless character doesn't help.

You haven't presented a single reason as to him being weak tho.

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@sladerulez said:
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If we wanna talk feats, here's a few: Kotal withstanding a direct attack from Shinnok's amulet, which killed some closeby soldiers, and has been used for substancially greater feats of destruction

And here is Kotal Kahn losing to a Kombat Kid with very few feats. Funny how Kotal goes down much easier here and had the sun out as well.

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Overpowered and nearly killed Dvorrah, who has fairly impressive feats of her own

Loses to Jacqui right here, even his experince in combat contradicts his power.

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Cut off Goro's arms

Goro didn't do anything notable in Current timeline either.

And my favorite:

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Only real good feat

Destroyed an entire ship in a single attack

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Nothing Kung Lao has done can compare

Kung Lao beats the punching bag of MK known as Kotal Kahn

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@sladerulez said:
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If we wanna talk feats, here's a few: Kotal withstanding a direct attack from Shinnok's amulet, which killed some closeby soldiers, and has been used for substancially greater feats of destruction

And here is Kotal Kahn losing to a Kombat Kid with very few feats. Funny how Kotal goes down much easier here and had the sun out as well.

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Overpowered and nearly killed Dvorrah, who has fairly impressive feats of her own

Loses to Jacqui right here, even his experince in combat contradicts his power.

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Cut off Goro's arms

His only impressive feat.

And my favorite:

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Destroyed an entire ship in a single attack

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Nothing Kung Lao has done can compare

Kung Lao beats the punching bag of MK known as Kotal Kahn

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"He was beaten by these guys!"

What makes these characters weak?

"They have no feats!"

but what makes them weak?

the implication that a high tier character losing to a character drags them down rather than bring them up, which is what makes your argument flawed altogether.

You haven't brought a single feat, you just brought up characters he beat who are arguably bigger jobbers than the guys Kotal lost to.

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@randybutternubs said:
@sladerulez said:
@randybutternubs said:

@sladerulez: No he does not. He has lost too many times to be on Shao Kahns tier. Sheeva is not a high tier before Aftermath she had 0 victories. Raiden is a high tier but not her. Just because she defeated Baraka and Jade in Aftermath makes her a high tier? Baraka has jobbed in most of his appearances. He has lost to just about everyone he has encountered. Jade is probably her only good feat.

You just didn't mention Kitana at all

Defeating two notable people makes her a high tier? My point still stands.

Yes... just like how Kung Lao defeating the Deadly Alliance (Who weren't too impressive) was your original argument

Two people who are higher than Kitana and Jade, who have soul manipulation. You were the one who claimed they weren't impressive I said they may be weaker but they are more impressive than Kotal defeating Goro who hasn't done much of anything in the current timeline.

I never claimed or stated that Kotal became exception to the rule, for someone who is suppose to be comparable to Shao Kahn he has very bad low showings.

Three losses against characters that haven't done anything to be deemed as weak.

Losing to Shao Kahn not once but twice, Kung Jin, Jacqui, Sheeva, and Jade. Losing to characters that haven't done anything does in fact make you look weaker than intended.

Shao Kahn has proven capable of beating MK high tiers, and Kung Lao has never won against him at all. His highest feat (barely winning against Shao Kahn)

Kung Lao isn't suppose to beat Shao Kahn, Kotal was intended to be comparable to Shao Kahn but has too many low showings to prove otherwise. And Kotal was humilated by Shao Kahn twice.

hell, everyone you've listed have fought against and won against high tiers. Especially Sheeva who fought an Injured Kotal to boot, and still stalemated against him in their wrestle at the start

Kotal isn't a high tier though, too many low showings. Losing to kombat kids who are rookies in the Special Forces? Pretty low bar tbh. LMAO Stalemated Against Sheeva? You mean Sheeva planting him right to the floor hurting his pride.

Rain hasn't done anything really either, especially in the Current timeline, never defeated anyone notable. Gorbak is also another person who has zero feats and he never defeated Shao Kahn lmao what are you talking about?

Rain's weather manipulation allows him to negate Kotal's biggest advantage and Kotal powered right through it. How is that not something to be worth Noting?

And what does that have to due with Rain having next to none feats? He hasn't defeated anyone notable so bringing up someone with zero showings having an advantage over Kotal doesn't make sense and makes your point moot.

Straight up made Kotal Weaker and Kotal still pushed through his magic. Kotal pushing past his weakness isn't worth Noting?

So fodder made Kotal weaker? Thanks for proving my point.

Also, the Shokan become the ruler after proving their might against all those who challenge it. He had to win the title against an indefinite amount of Fellow Shokan, which are the strongest individual race throughout Mortal Kombat. How is it not noteworthy?

Doesn't change the solid fact that King Gorbak has zero feats. Hyping up a featless character doesn't help.

You haven't presented a single reason as to him being weak tho.

I have, read my response above carefully. Show me feats of Gorbak defeating someone notable, burden of proof is on you.

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@sladerulez: No he does not. He has lost too many times to be on Shao Kahns tier. Sheeva is not a high tier before Aftermath she had 0 victories. Raiden is a high tier but not her. Just because she defeated Baraka and Jade in Aftermath makes her a high tier? Baraka has jobbed in most of his appearances. He has lost to just about everyone he has encountered. Jade is probably her only good feat.

You just didn't mention Kitana at all

Defeating two notable people makes her a high tier? My point still stands.

Yes... just like how Kung Lao defeating the Deadly Alliance (Who weren't too impressive) was your original argument

Two people who are higher than Kitana and Jade, who have soul manipulation. You were the one who claimed they weren't impressive I said they may be weaker but they are more impressive than Kotal defeating Goro who hasn't done much of anything in the current timeline.

I never claimed or stated that Kotal became exception to the rule, for someone who is suppose to be comparable to Shao Kahn he has very bad low showings.

Three losses against characters that haven't done anything to be deemed as weak.

Losing to Shao Kahn not once but twice, Kung Jin, Jacqui, Sheeva, and Jade. Losing to characters that haven't done anything does in fact make you look weaker than intended.

Shao Kahn has proven capable of beating MK high tiers, and Kung Lao has never won against him at all. His highest feat (barely winning against Shao Kahn)

Kung Lao isn't suppose to beat Shao Kahn, Kotal was intended to be comparable to Shao Kahn but has too many low showings to prove otherwise. And Kotal was humilated by Shao Kahn twice.

hell, everyone you've listed have fought against and won against high tiers. Especially Sheeva who fought an Injured Kotal to boot, and still stalemated against him in their wrestle at the start

Kotal isn't a high tier though, too many low showings. Losing to kombat kids who are rookies in the Special Forces? Pretty low bar tbh. LMAO Stalemated Against Sheeva? You mean Sheeva planting him right to the floor hurting his pride.

Rain hasn't done anything really either, especially in the Current timeline, never defeated anyone notable. Gorbak is also another person who has zero feats and he never defeated Shao Kahn lmao what are you talking about?

Rain's weather manipulation allows him to negate Kotal's biggest advantage and Kotal powered right through it. How is that not something to be worth Noting?

And what does that have to due with Rain having next to none feats? He hasn't defeated anyone notable so bringing up someone with zero showings having an advantage over Kotal doesn't make sense and makes your point moot.

Straight up made Kotal Weaker and Kotal still pushed through his magic. Kotal pushing past his weakness isn't worth Noting?

So fodder made Kotal weaker? Thanks for proving my point.

Also, the Shokan become the ruler after proving their might against all those who challenge it. He had to win the title against an indefinite amount of Fellow Shokan, which are the strongest individual race throughout Mortal Kombat. How is it not noteworthy?

Doesn't change the solid fact that King Gorbak has zero feats. Hyping up a featless character doesn't help.

You haven't presented a single reason as to him being weak tho.

I have, read my response above carefully. Show me feats of Gorbak defeating someone notable, burden of proof is on you.

So instead of Proving that the characters he lost to are weak, you continue to showcase that you have no real way to suggest that the Kombat kids or the people he fought are weak. Kitana is arguably stronger than Kung Lao but she still lost to Sheeva.

Kung Lao has never won against Shao Kahn, so any victory he has against him puts him over. You bring up how Shao Kahn bested Kotal Twice, but one victory over Shao is more than what Kung Lao showed capable of doing.

Shang Tsung got clapped by Smoke, Quan Chi got clapped by Sonya. Kung Lao's victories don't have any wins either till MK11 and even then, Old Shang Tsung was getting bullied through most of it.

Kung Lao's best victory was against Scorpion in MK11, and he walks it off Almost completely unfazed

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With a damaged back, Kotal breaks the stalemate and knocks Sheeva back before the fight began. You say I'm only focusing on his high feats, but You're doing your hardest to ignore them

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But alas, let's focus on Kung Lao for a minute:

bested Shang Tsung (who lost to Kitana, Smoke, Nightwolf's Revenant, and Technically Sub-Zero)

Bested Quan Chi (Who lost to Scorpion, a retired Jax, and got his Balls crushed by Sonya)

Bested Kintaro (who lost to fricking Stryker of all people, alongside getting decapitated by Sonya)

Bested Scorpion (who wasn't even knocked out, and jumped right back in the fight seconds later, As opposed to when Scorpion bested him in MK9 and he was genuinely beaten)

Bested Geras (Only to lose immediately after)

got cut by his own hat, either because it was too fast or it was thrown too hard, it's bottomline sad nonetheless.

And was dumb enough to turn his back to the most evil person in the entire world, because he wouldn't kill me in the most embarassing way, right?

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@sladerulez said:
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@sladerulez: No he does not. He has lost too many times to be on Shao Kahns tier. Sheeva is not a high tier before Aftermath she had 0 victories. Raiden is a high tier but not her. Just because she defeated Baraka and Jade in Aftermath makes her a high tier? Baraka has jobbed in most of his appearances. He has lost to just about everyone he has encountered. Jade is probably her only good feat.

You just didn't mention Kitana at all

Defeating two notable people makes her a high tier? My point still stands.

Yes... just like how Kung Lao defeating the Deadly Alliance (Who weren't too impressive) was your original argument

Two people who are higher than Kitana and Jade, who have soul manipulation. You were the one who claimed they weren't impressive I said they may be weaker but they are more impressive than Kotal defeating Goro who hasn't done much of anything in the current timeline.

I never claimed or stated that Kotal became exception to the rule, for someone who is suppose to be comparable to Shao Kahn he has very bad low showings.

Three losses against characters that haven't done anything to be deemed as weak.

Losing to Shao Kahn not once but twice, Kung Jin, Jacqui, Sheeva, and Jade. Losing to characters that haven't done anything does in fact make you look weaker than intended.

Shao Kahn has proven capable of beating MK high tiers, and Kung Lao has never won against him at all. His highest feat (barely winning against Shao Kahn)

Kung Lao isn't suppose to beat Shao Kahn, Kotal was intended to be comparable to Shao Kahn but has too many low showings to prove otherwise. And Kotal was humilated by Shao Kahn twice.

hell, everyone you've listed have fought against and won against high tiers. Especially Sheeva who fought an Injured Kotal to boot, and still stalemated against him in their wrestle at the start

Kotal isn't a high tier though, too many low showings. Losing to kombat kids who are rookies in the Special Forces? Pretty low bar tbh. LMAO Stalemated Against Sheeva? You mean Sheeva planting him right to the floor hurting his pride.

Rain hasn't done anything really either, especially in the Current timeline, never defeated anyone notable. Gorbak is also another person who has zero feats and he never defeated Shao Kahn lmao what are you talking about?

Rain's weather manipulation allows him to negate Kotal's biggest advantage and Kotal powered right through it. How is that not something to be worth Noting?

And what does that have to due with Rain having next to none feats? He hasn't defeated anyone notable so bringing up someone with zero showings having an advantage over Kotal doesn't make sense and makes your point moot.

Straight up made Kotal Weaker and Kotal still pushed through his magic. Kotal pushing past his weakness isn't worth Noting?

So fodder made Kotal weaker? Thanks for proving my point.

Also, the Shokan become the ruler after proving their might against all those who challenge it. He had to win the title against an indefinite amount of Fellow Shokan, which are the strongest individual race throughout Mortal Kombat. How is it not noteworthy?

Doesn't change the solid fact that King Gorbak has zero feats. Hyping up a featless character doesn't help.

You haven't presented a single reason as to him being weak tho.

I have, read my response above carefully. Show me feats of Gorbak defeating someone notable, burden of proof is on you.

So instead of Proving that the characters he lost to are weak, you continue to showcase that you have no real way to suggest that the Kombat kids or the people he fought are weak. Kitana is arguably stronger than Kung Lao but she still lost to Sheeva.

People with next to none feats are not impressive, what is is hard to understand. Prior to Aftermath Sheeva has not won or defeated a single notable person at all. What feat did Kung Jin have prior to defeating Kotal, what did he do that was so impressive that him beating Kotal means Kotal lost to someone with great high showings. The logic you are using is flawed.

Kung Lao has never won against Shao Kahn, so any victory he has against him puts him over. You bring up how Shao Kahn bested Kotal Twice, but one victory over Shao is more than what Kung Lao showed capable of doing.

Again you do not read carefully what I said previously. Kung Lao is not intented to beat Shao Kahn. Kotal was intended to be on par with Shao Kahn yet he lost to people far below even Kung Laos level such as the Kung Jin and Jacqui. It contradicts his power levels and makes him look bad. Lots of people even acknwoledge this. Saying he gets humilated too often.

Shang Tsung got clapped by Smoke, Quan Chi got clapped by Sonya. Kung Lao's victories don't have any wins either till MK11 and even then, Old Shang Tsung was getting bullied through most of it.

Smoke defeated Reptile and Sektor and Kitana IIRC. Sonya fought Sub-Zero and Scorpion though and has taken blows from Shinnok and and has make Kano look like a joke.

Kung Lao's best victory was against Scorpion in MK11, and he walks it off Almost completely unfazed

He still won though, Scorpion is a high tier easily and bested the Deadly Alliance together.

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With a damaged back, Kotal breaks the stalemate and knocks Sheeva back before the fight began. You say I'm only focusing on his high feats, but You're doing your hardest to ignore them

Nothing in that video shows a stalemate, so you considered her wrestling Kotal for a few seconds a stalemate? Are you that desperate for feats for Kotal? Even if hes injured Sheeva did not come to fight him, she came to get Sindel.

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#49 sladerulez  Online

@randybutternubs: I'm referring to just before the playable fight. You really tryna pretend nothing happened, aight

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@sladerulez: I acknowledge and it doesn't do you any good when afterwards She defeated him.