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Isshiki Otsutsuki

  • Post Crisis Superman
  • Win by any means
  • Basic knowledge
  • In character
  • Start 30 ft away
  • Fight in Japan
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Man of Steel

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#5  Edited By Eredin12  Online
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Dies horribly, Isshiki stomped characters that would beat Superman, by feats Superman is moon+/ small planet level , while Isshiki is actually around planet level, having exploded small planet level constructs with just side effect of his punches:

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Remember the moon-earth crash no selling durability feat for even fodder Tenseigan, the same clash which would turn the Surface into ashes and explode moon itself, now that would come into handy
Remember the moon-earth crash no selling durability feat for even fodder Tenseigan, the same clash which would turn the Surface into ashes and explode moon itself, now that would come into handy
Because even base Naruto in the last erases that same Tenseigan with a single Rasengan, later he does the same thing with a single punch, in BSM mode. He also has six paths mode/avatar, which makes him dozens of times more powerful/durable than said BSM mode which already has moon+ level feat, and Isshiki casually erased said Six Paths Avatar,
Because even base Naruto in the last erases that same Tenseigan with a single Rasengan, later he does the same thing with a single punch, in BSM mode. He also has six paths mode/avatar, which makes him dozens of times more powerful/durable than said BSM mode which already has moon+ level feat, and Isshiki casually erased said Six Paths Avatar,

Speed-wise, this Superman is at most few times FTL in combat, while Isshiki statued people that fast:

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Clark is both weaker stats-wise and less versatile, he has no win condition beyond wank

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#6  Edited By YellowTheNaruto

@eredin12: Moon dropping onto Earth has nothing to do with Naruto's stats. Cutting a hollow moon is not even moon level.

An even we use your inflated scaling which takes too much mental gymnastics, it is still fodder to Post Crisis Superman

Clark can shatter planet with just his strikes

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Supes can shatter small planet here with striking which is way above Naruto

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Post Crisis Superman stops Black Hole which Batman directly states can destroy entire Solar System

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PC Supes plows through multiple planets

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Higher End Feat, Superman clashing with alternate version of himself threatens the Universe

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#7  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@yellowthenaruto:

Moon dropping onto Earth has nothing to do with Naruto's stats. Cutting a hollow moon is not even moon level.

An only very small part of it was a hollow splitting mass of the moon at MHS speed, which GWRE did is moon+ level actually:

It is a good deal above moon busting energy, which is this: 1.24×1029J, and Moon dropping on Earth has everything to do with his stats as it was powered by Tenseigan which Naruto erased 2 times in the movie

Clark can shatter planet with just his strikes

Supes can shatter small planet here with striking which is way above Naruto

The unbacked statement is an unbacked statement, Obio and Toneri have said the same thing

Small planet level is needed to overpower GWRE and erase Tenseigan which can no sell explosion of the moon and Naruto destroyed it in just BSM mode, not even Six Paths mode, try again

Post Crisis Superman stops Black Hole which Batman directly states can destroy entire Solar System

PC Supes plows through multiple planets

That was debunked many times, it was moon level black hole he barely held while Toneri easily moved the moon

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/sirdragonfly/blog/superman-holding-a-black-hole-calculated/160427/

Building sized planets inside the golem

Higher End Feat, Superman clashing with alternate version of himself threatens the Universe

Ever heard of hyperbole? Clark has far more city-level anti feats than planet or universe stuff

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/why-are-dc-high-tiers-so-incapable-of-performing-p-2220858/

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Superman stomp like it not even close and he solos the verse too.

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@eredin12: None of Naruto characters have better feats than Superman tf u talking about plus Superman defeated way stronger ppl who could solo Naruto verse

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#10  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@legionofallhuma: Post Crisis Superman getting one-shotted by Nuke many times:

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SWAT Officers restrain a criminal that broke Superman's arm (Superman: Strength #1)

etc

Superman consistently has far more stuff like these than those instances, consistently he is only moon+ level and a few times FTL in combat, which is fodder to Isshiki

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@eredin12: Superman have lifted 200 quintillion Tons one handed Superman has punches space and time itself He bench pressing the earth for 5 days man literally hold a black hole in his hands superman literally drag a whole damn Galaxy before

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superman one shots. Lock this crap.-

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@eredin12:

The inconsistencies in Boruto are almost just as bad as Superman. I could also say Toneri moon slice is a inconsistent high end feat like what your doing for Superman.

An only very small part of it was a hollow splitting mass of the moon at MHS speed, which GWRE did is moon+ level actually:

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It is a good deal above moon busting energy, which is this: 1.24×1029J, and Moon dropping on Earth has everything to do with his stats as it was powered by Tenseigan which Naruto erased 2 times in the movie

If this moon level then Superman shattering small planet with just his strike should be multi planet.

The unbacked statement is an unbacked statement, Obio and Toneri have said the same thing

Superman stated he could shatter planet with specifically strikes on more then one occasion.

Obito and Toneri were not specific at all.

He also done this to back planet level up

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That was debunked many times, it was moon level black hole he barely held while Toneri easily moved the moon

Moon level Black Hole but Batman says it can destroy the Solar System. Author using hyperbole obviously.

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PC Supes has drug Earth, Moon and ship all at the same time through Hyperspace.

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#16  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@yellowthenaruto:

The inconsistencies in Boruto are almost just as bad as Superman. I could also say Toneri moon slice is a inconsistent high end feat like what your doing for Superman.

we have many other feats to back that one up though:

Remember the moon-earth crash Surviving durability for the Tenssigan , the same clash which would turn the Surface into ashes , now that would come into handy
Remember the moon-earth crash Surviving durability for the Tenssigan , the same clash which would turn the Surface into ashes , now that would come into handy
Because even base Naruto in the last ( with Hinata lol who admits she doesn't have the power to destroy the tenseigan by herself and is fodder to Naruto anyway ) destroys first tenseigan and Naruto gets much more than dozens of times more powerful in later forms
Because even base Naruto in the last ( with Hinata lol who admits she doesn't have the power to destroy the tenseigan by herself and is fodder to Naruto anyway ) destroys first tenseigan and Naruto gets much more than dozens of times more powerful in later forms

While that is not the case with PIS you tried to use for universal Fodderman where we have dozens of times more city-level anti feats

If this moon level then Superman shattering small planet with just his strike should be multi planet.

The thing is Clark never shattered a small planet with his strikes, ever.

Superman stated he could shatter planet with specifically strikes on more then one occasion.

Obito and Toneri were not specific at all.

He also done this to back planet level up

Moon level Black Hole but Batman says it can destroy the Solar System. Author using hyperbole obviously.

Obito and Toneri said the same thing, to make it even better both were specifically talking about Earth, while Clark just said "planet", which can mean many things. And no he has not, those were mountain-sized planets inside the golem, we saw that by looking at how big he is compared to them, even writer of that comic said they are miniature

The black hole feat once broken down isn't even a high-tier feat... Superman held a device that had trouble containing a mini black hole and he couldn't even hold that on his own without the help of John Stewart later on.

You legit have to be deficient in vitamin B or something to actually think this feat is even planetary or anywhere above that, it isn't. It being stated that it will destroy the Solar System refers to it escaping the device it was inside and growing and growing exponentially, when Superman held it and later on threw it with the help of John Stewart it was nowhere near that stage the worst it did at that point is warp a single room(my math may be wrong but a room is way smaller than Solar System), it hadn't even broken out of the device that held it.

post 33:https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/superman-is-not-fodder-to-worldbreaker-hulk-2147588/

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@eredin12: Superman have lifted 200 quintillion Tons one handed Superman has punches space and time itself He bench pressing the earth for 5 days man literally hold a black hole in his hands superman literally drag a whole damn Galaxy before

None of that was PC Superman, some of those feats were done by Silver Age Superman, some by All-Star and some by New 52, this is not composite Clark though but just PC, only feat among those PC did is black hole one which is moon level and he did not even hold it really, check above

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LOL imagine thinking Baryon Naruto could compete with Supes in strength.

Supes pastes.

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Honestly He'd do better against Isshiki due to his microscopic vision, but he still would get utterly fodderized

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Isshiki blitzes and one-shots.

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Clark stomps as usual then add his 1000s faster than light

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#22  Edited By Monstar572

“Small Planet level” Isshiki

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Clark solos the verse

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#24  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@starscream37: Wank version maybe, not actual Post Crisis Clark who gets fodderized by Nukes and whose best consistent feats are moon+ level

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@monstar572: Sakura and Boruto have recieved amps; they are both Multi-planet speedsters.

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#26  Edited By TheSlader

Yet another thread of people cherry picking low ends to downplay the comic character. I guess every comic character is building lvl consistently.

OT: Isshiki.

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#27  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@theslader: Nah Slader, all of those save for one are city-level anti feats involving Nukes, not building level ones, and it is only fair when you get stuff like universal/ solar system level Superman that solos the verse, city level is actually closer to his level than solar system level, which he got wanked here to

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#28  Edited By TheSlader

@eredin12: I thought you said you were done using low ends to downplay characters to building lvl in that Isshiki vs Beta Ray Bill thread. Guess I was wrong.

I don't think Superman is universal or that he solos the verse, but there's a much better way to address it than just rely on low showings.

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Clark stomps

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#31  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@theslader: Hence why I used city level anti feats here insteed of building lvl ones for Clark, save for one example ( as a joke, I just find it hilarious that a normal human broke his arm) , you use low showings to show faulty of wank, while also debunking some wanked scans, like black hole one that was used here

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Superman stomps. Imagine using low showings to downplay Superman when Naruto/Boruto characters have their own fair share of low showings.