Avatar: Pupils vs Teachers

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#1  Edited By CocaColaMan
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Zuko, Katara, Yun

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Jianzhu, Iroh, Pakku

  • Win by any means
  • In character
  • Start 30 ft away
  • Pakku has full moon feats, Katara does not
  • Fight in a canyon during Sozin's Comet
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  • Yun > Jianzhu
  • Katara > Pakku
  • Iroh > Zuko

Zuko and Iroh are the most powerful here since Sozin's comet is out. Katara can at least pull water from the air where as Pakku has nothing to work with in the canyon. They are the most disadvantaged here. Yun has definitely succeeded his teacher and has more tricks. I'm siding with the pupils since that Iroh picture is creeping me out.

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@chloros: Forgot to mention a river is running through the canyon

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I'm gonna say the pupils, with Katara and Yun doing the heavy lifting. Depending on how large the river is, it won't be such a huge body of water that Pakku is gonna outright overpower Katara, whose non amped feats are already impressive. Yun is above Jianzhu. Zuko vs. Iroh would be kind of irrelevant at that point.

Side note: that pic of Iroh is terrifying lol.

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Iroh is the most powerful one here, but Katara and Yun can dispatch their opponents fast enough to aid Zuko so I'll side with the pupils.

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Siding with the pupils via general consensus.

Tbh the names should've gone, Iroh, Pakku, and Jianzhu but whatever. It looks neat.

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Iroh is definitely the best one here. But the pupils having Katara and Yun greatly helps against the teachers. Yun is simply a notch above the Architect and by this point, Katara should have surpassed Pakku to eke out a hard win. I could see the Firelord do some heavy lifting and hold off the dragon before help arrives, Zuko would obviously be on the defensive for the entirety, but he should be good enough to not get torched right off the bat, lol. Numbers would probably play a good role here. Siding with the pupils for a minor majority.

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Pupils since Yun and Katara can beat their counterparts fast enough to help out Zuko.

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#10  Edited By RonnyLamar

@bigdreamer48: iroh is not the strongest here Iroh has hype no impressive feats

Iroh feats are Mediocre

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@viking1205: @bigdreamer48: iroh is not the strongest here Iroh has hype no impressive feats

Fighting Azula fodder soldiers not impressive

Fighting The Dai Le not impressive

Iroh feats are Mediocre

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@vengefulshot: yeah your bias the pupils can not beat their teachers fast enough to help Zuko

Unless Katara bloodbend

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@indomitableregal@bigdreamer48@chloros don't know if it's undue katara hype at this point or everyone just hating pakku...

They're masters and pupils for a reason... masters stomp, even with Yun being superior to the 'master' earthbender, he won't beat a seasoned firebender/waterbender of their caliber.

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@anderioan: yeah, and pupils (two of who are full-fledged masters at this point) sometimes surpass their masters. Now, like I said in my original post, Iroh is the strongest here. However, in case you haven’t noticed, pupils can match or become stronger than their teachers in Avatar regardless of age and experience.

I’ve heard your argument regarding these topics before, and frankly, I disagree. By implication, Katara is a prodigy, and has in-canon mastered more aspects of waterbending than Pakku has. Whether you like it or not, it doesn’t matter, because it is what we’ve seen and what has been confirmed. Pakku does get lowballed at times (as does Katara get overestimated) but this is in no way a stomp in either direction. Especially when Katara’s non amped feats can compare to Pakku’s amped ones and she can utilize many more techniques than he’s shown or been implied to have. And mind you, he doesn’t have the North Pole here. She and Yun can take care of Pakku and Jianzhu fast enough to help out Zuko. Not easily, but they can. And Yun in a Canyon is definitely better than Pakku. Much more versatile and has much more to work with. His tunneling and earth liquefying will be serious trouble, and Pakku has nothing to suggest that he can simply overpower Yun, or out skill him (even with the full moon). Again, not a stomp (assuming Pakku has a decent supply of water), but I have Yun above him, and while skilled, Jianzhu is the weakest here.

The masters can take rounds because of Iroh, but @viking1205 and @chloros explained it well. Also, Iroh can’t take all three of them if the gang up on him. While he takes any of them 1 vs. 1 for sure, he won’t take all three of them. He’s too grounded. Katara and Yun are fast enough with their bending to keep Iroh from conjuring up giant fireballs like he did in Ba Sing Se.

I stand by my original verdict. While Iroh is the best here (and yes, he canonically is because I’m taking in statements too), the “pupils” (also masters in their own right), can take this. They have more win options. Even if you disagree, this is far from a stomp.

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Honestly Pakku with full moon feats is a serious challenge for Katara; he might seriously(alibiet comically) have the best water spout usage outside of Korra. Iroh is disgustingly powerful and I don't think Zuko at that point could seriously challenge someone like him. Yun however is a serious problem with that much earth around but I do suspect Iroh could be a problem for him being that he'd have to use all his spare time defending against attacks Iroh Outputs, otherwise his team is toast.

Cabbage man look alike is a liability but he does provide decent support; if they switch up the matchups though.....Iroh would probably evaporate whatever Katara threw at him and would generally just outskill her due to experience; which would take out their strongest Character while Pakku would fare pretty well against Yun by recognizing the familiarity in some of his bending.