DMS Kakashi, Obito vs Ichigo, Aizen

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  • All the characters are in the strongest forms.
  • Genjutsu is allowed.
  • Ordinary Chakra = Reiatsu
  • Obito can use to all the abilities Rinnegan, and immateriality for 5 minutes, as well as teleport between the real world and Kamui's dimension.
  • Characters Bleach use all their powers and abilities from the manga/anime.

Who wis win?

The reason I'm adding Kamui Obito's abilities, I don't like how the Author limited Obito's powers for the sake of the plot, but when the plot demanded it, the restrictions for Madara's sake disappeared.

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DMS Kakashi and Juubito Kamui? They mid diff

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Team Bleach, faster and stronger.

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Ichigo blitzes Juubito and Aizen one-shots Kakashi.

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Team bleach stomp

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Team Bleach negs

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Team bleach win the majority (Juubito is a weak link)

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Both Ichigo and Aizen can blitz Juubito and easily take out Kakashi together.

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Make it Juudara and Bleach still roflstomps.

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Bleach team because of better stats.

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How much damage would Ichigo's attacks do to Juubi Obito? He can also absorb them with the help of the Rinnegan, or become intangible, and as for the speed, Obito easily reacted to the KM2 Minato using Hiraishin, not to mention the Genjutsu which Ichigo does not resist.

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Bleach stats are so insane compared to these two. Statues don't fight back.

Anyone saying otherwise is wanking, hard.

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I'll give it to bleach team.

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That's noticeable.

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None of these attacks would have done any harm to Obito, much less without Senjutsu.

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@lexa59: Energy equalized meaning Hado techniques work, Hado 90 an 99 should do it. there's also the fact bleach team do soul damage and Aizen still has perfect hypnosis. Also you do know soul reapers have non-physical interaction so being intangible isn't going to do much plus they do have attacks that distorts space.

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#17  Edited By lexa59

@areneacaulem: Alignment of energies prevents the Bleach character from somehow receiving natural energy for Senjutsu. Intangibility makes these attacks useless. And about the attacks to soul. After Ichigo's attacks, Kugo Ginjo died physically, but his soul was fine, so against Obito, this again will not help.

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Reiatsu is also a spiritual energy that comes from the soul, and it's the same with the chakra.

Yasutora Sado who had no spiritual energy and could not see the soul was able to hit hollow.

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@lexa59: 1) energy equalized so you can't use senjutsu as an argument.

2) hado 90 is a seal and hado 99 absorbs energy.

3) zanpakuto literally translates into soul cutting sword, they literally kill hallows with them. They just didn't BFR his soul.

4) as for Chad hitting the hollow I guess ginjo's explanation on full bringer would explain that.

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#19  Edited By Seb178

@areneacaulem: how does energies equal means they gain senjutsu lol?

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@seb178: it's energy equals, senjutsu is also chakra. It's not that hard to understand. Plus it's not like they even need it. I mention other ways they can win without energy equals. Read above.

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@seb178: it's energy equals, senjutsu is also chakra. It's not that hard to understand.

what? I don't get what you mean

Senjutsu involve the use of natural energy which bleach team can't use

Plus it's not like they even need it. I mention other ways they can win without energy equals. Read above.

I am not saying naruto team wins. Both teams have a chance to win

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@seb178: Senjutsu is still chakra, is it not? Just because it's different then the normal doesn't mean it isn't chakra.

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@seb178: Also Obito is at a massive disadvantage since Obito doesn't have the feats to scale him in the same level as DMS kakashi.

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#24  Edited By Seb178

@areneacaulem: Ok i think you are confused bro

Senjutsu is not chakra. When a person mixes natural energy with his chakra then he can use senjutsu and after mixing natural energy with chakra then a person creates senjutsu chakra but you need natural energy to create senjutsu chakra and bleach team(since energy is equal) only have chakra/reiatsu not natural energy so they cannot use senjutsu

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#25  Edited By Seb178
@areneacaulem said:

@seb178: Senjutsu is still chakra, is it not? Just because it's different then the normal doesn't mean it isn't chakra.

If senjutsu was chakra then ppl like tobirama or sasuke could have used it and defeated obito and even if you think this then how will ichigo and aizen learn to gather natural energy then mix it with chakra to use it bcs they don't know how to do these things.

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#26  Edited By lexa59
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@lexa59: 1) energy equalized so you can't use senjutsu as an argument.

First learn what Senjutsu is before writing something like that

2) hado 90 is a seal and hado 99 absorbs energy.

It is useless against impalpability, also Obito uses the Preta Path and absorbs it.

3) zanpakuto literally translates into soul cutting sword, they literally kill hallows with them. They just didn't BFR his soul.

Tsukishima calmly survived Byakuya's attack.

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4) as for Chad hitting the hollow I guess ginjo's explanation on full bringer would explain that.

I'll write to you again. Yasutora Sado who had no spiritual energy and could not see the soul was able to hit hollow, at that moment, he didn't have any strength.

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@seb178: How do you think which of the two teams will win?

I personally don't say that Obito's team, Kakashi wins, but I don't like how everyone writes that Ichigo and Aizen absolutely win without problems, they have good feats, but it will still be very difficult for them to defeat Kakashi and Obito at the peak of their strength.

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@lexa59: Can't say for sure who wins

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@lexa59: @seb178: it is still a form of chakra. I know what it is but you guys are basically trying to say it isn't chakra when it still is. It's different but it's still chakra none the less.

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Genjutsu:Sharingan and kamui, Ninja Team wins

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Aizen one shots both of them with Kurohitsugi, which disassembles them atomically.

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@lexa59: ichigo is far above obito's paygrade, probably around BYM naruto's tier.

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#35  Edited By horrOreto2

@lexa59: ichigo is tiers above bankai zaraki, yamamoto, and other characters around obito's tier by feats and statements.

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@lexa59: true bankai ichigo is above naruto : shippuuden in raw strength.

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@lexa59: @seb178: it is still a form of chakra. I know what it is but you guys are basically trying to say it isn't chakra when it still is. It's different but it's still chakra none the less.

Looks like you didn't read my reply

I said you need to gather Natural energy and then mix it with your chakra to create senjutsu chakra and to use senjutsu. It is chakra mix with NATURAL ENERGY and cuz you need to learn to gather natural energy and use it so that's why Senjutsu is very rare in naruto and if senjutsu was just a form of chakra then sasuke, tobirama, itachi could have shown to use it in naruto

And ichigo and aizen only have chakra/reiatsu cuz energy is equal.They don't even know what is natural energy and how to use it and will never know what it is and how to use it

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#38  Edited By Seb178
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@lexa59: ichigo is far above obito's paygrade, probably around BYM naruto's tier.

Lmfao even SOSP naruto stomps ichigo so stop thinking he is BYM naruto's tier

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@lexa59 said:

How much damage would Ichigo's attacks do to Juubi Obito? He can also absorb them with the help of the Rinnegan, or become intangible, and as for the speed, Obito easily reacted to the KM2 Minato using Hiraishin, not to mention the Genjutsu which Ichigo does not resist.

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  • went to point out there bleach character in general have resistance to illusion base ability as long as there power is higher then there opponent they can resist it and genjustu just run into a problem is that even with equalize energy they cant real feat the other verse they dont have a charkra net work or somethin to the equivalent to a energy network connect to there nerve system with the add fact can genjustu even put soul under genjustu to begin with
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@seb178: Looks like you didn't read the scan, it say it's still chakra. Chakra= Reiatsu. Your literally trying to argue that senjutsu isn't chakra when it is! Are you serious? They don't need to know how to use nature energy when energy is equal. Also you seem to miss the part where they have a huge stat advantage over Obito. I watched Naruto and argued for them multiple time but using senjutsu as an excuse for them to be untouchable in an energy equal battle just shows bias.

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#41  Edited By NinjaRizer

It's completely misleading to assume because Chad hit a hollow, this means that any human can hit a hollow. In the same chapter, Rukia states that normal humans can't touch or hit Hollows or Soul Reapers:

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This obviously means that Chad is not a normal human being, and was able to hit the Hollow through unknown means.This can be easily explained in the fact that he is a Fullbringer, and his dormant ability allowed him to sense and touch the hollow. Asinine to assume any other normal human beingcan do what Chad did.

Since they are still susceptible to Gravity as shown in Kaguya's realm, Aizen one-shots with an invisible Kurohitsugi.

Also, Aizen or Ichigo can literally just blitz and cut them into pieces since they are susceptible to physical attacks as shown with Gai.

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@seb178: Looks like you didn't read the scan, it say it's still chakra. Chakra= Reiatsu.

Idk whats so hard to get? It is not normal chakra. In order to use senjutsu, one must first learn to sense the natural energy in their surroundings and draw it into their body.

Your literally trying to argue that senjutsu isn't chakra when it is! Are you serious?

First of all senjutsu/ninjutsu/genjutsu is not chakra.

They don't need to know how to use nature energy when energy is equal.

Lol what? natural energy is not chakra lmao

Also you seem to miss the part where they have a huge stat advantage over Obito. I watched Naruto and argued for them multiple time but using senjutsu as an excuse for them to be untouchable in an energy equal battle just shows bias.

Lol no one is baised. Senjutsu requires natural energy and aizen and ichigo gon't even know what it is

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#44  Edited By Seb178

I still can't understand why every time i meet weird bleach fans with points like Kaguya cannot use IT and now ppl can use senjutsu just bcs energy is equal

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@seb178: Dude, there's literally a scan that says senjutsu is just a new form of powerful chakra and I'm not even I bleach fan, I grew up in Naruto more out of all the HST. I want you to grab a scan where it says sage jutsu isn't chakra because right now it's just your words vs the manga scan I posted.

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#46  Edited By Seb178

@areneacaulem: The scan which you posted has the evidence bro

It says you need chakra and natural energy to create senjutsu chakra and chakra and reiatsu are equal so idk why you are equating this to natural energy which is present in the surroundings not in the persons body

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So planet level team vs galaxy to universal level beings. Yea aizen alone reiatsu crushes both of them.

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@lexa59 said:

@areneacaulem: Alignment of energies prevents the Bleach character from somehow receiving natural energy for Senjutsu. Intangibility makes these attacks useless. And about the attacks to soul. After Ichigo's attacks, Kugo Ginjo died physically, but his soul was fine, so against Obito, this again will not help.

Reiatsu is also a spiritual energy that comes from the soul, and it's the same with the chakra.

Yasutora Sado who had no spiritual energy and could not see the soul was able to hit hollow.

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  • Gingo,Tsukishima and Giriko they all have one thing in common they where all killed by a zanpakuto which is meant to cleanse their soul and send them to the soul society the fact they are in soul society mean that the zanpakuto did effect their soul and send them to soul society. obito has no resistance to soul base attack even with energy equalize all of aizen and ichigo attack will bypass his physically durablilty
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@nhlanhla: lol reiatsu crush alone would neg them over. Naruto characters don't possess the ap to hang with eos god tiers from bleach.

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#50  Edited By ManimalMan

Bleach attacks bypassing physical durability is mostly head canon. Pretty much everytime a spirit attacks a living him human it causes physical damage and heals like any other physical wound.

OT:kakashi kumui snipes both their heads off.